What do you miss about "how things used to be" here?
I personally miss all the conflict, our brand of it in particular from back before people grew so old and exhausted. It used to be so fresh and bloody, like social gladiators, and the general audience were piranha. It's hard to find that perfect mix of knowing your audience at a smaller intimate scale and combative behavior, as it tends to just be one or the other either through having a wide base of unknowns or through having too many sterilizing rules in place.
The social climate's not what it used to be on the net, it's more skittish now. I miss that sense of bravery that came from more naive times. We're too old now and the internet as a whole seems more tired of fighting. It's nuts how much faster people can find themselves offended over nothing now, even downsizing their friend-groups as to only have likeminded people in them, and with it there's become much less debate.
It makes me sad how weak people have become, and how enabling others have become over it to allow themselves to continue on with their own weakness. Even looking elsewhere I only see a semblance of it alive and well in the Salt Mines known as Competitive Gaming Communities. There is a comradery in that kind of thing, but no one can take it anymore.
I guess I also kind of miss some of the novelty, but less so in the sense of my own growing accustomed to it and moreso over watching others lose their patience with the narrative. First they grew "Bored" as an excuse to try not to say they feel weak or helpless or whatever, but then overtime came the actual boredom as numbers went down. Without displays of weakness there is no culture here, and as time went on we saw replies become shorter in length as impatience and fear grew (yes I miss the super long posts that were once the norm).
There's also an irony I see here, over how those who attracted the most ire were much of what kept people coming back. Someone like Jim leaves and we see a lot of others follow, and even Quin becoming less of a target by laying low had others leave. Without something to feel properly offended over, with room to complain within an ingroup of whiners, people call the place "dead" as they have over numerous Summertimes (in spite of activity never getting below Nabble numbers).
I don't miss trying to explain how people were really here to witness what they claimed to despise, to claim they were "better than", but most people never seem to understand what they truly want out of something. Our most active times here were the times that deplorable shit was going on, not the friendly kumbaya circles, yet time and time again I witnessed people ask for things that'd slowly kill the place.
It used to be so fresh and bloody, like social gladiators, and the general audience were piranha. It's hard to find that perfect mix of knowing your audience at a smaller intimate scale and combative behavior, as it tends to just be one or the other either through having a wide base of unknowns or through having too many sterilizing rules in place.
Alright... maybe less Social Gladiator and more Bar Patron at Cheers:
I miss the dynamic of so many clashing people having a reason to go to one place, and I don't think I'm alone. Unfortunately, as people keep arriving sporadically and inconsistently it becomes easy to see the place as a ghost town, even as those they'd want to talk to show up a day or two before the other.
The problem is less over people not coming, and moreover them not finding reason to stay long enough to wait for others to pop inside. The belief of 'death' here is stronger than an actual death itself (if anything it's dying breath might bring people out of the woodworks). A lot of the angst is being felt over responders, not posters, and as someone logging in at least once or twice each day I've been seeing some pop-ins and cameos that yearn to see others, but remain out of sync.
I also miss the long posts, when there was thought in it, but it all relates to attention span. It's not just the length of the post but the quality of thought behind it. Now it's just people replying for the sake of appearance without even thinking about it. Hence the sense of mindlessness underscoring every post.
What you're missing is the random moments of kindness, which I liked, because it reminded me about the human nature in the midst of all the fighting. And people meeting IRL. I enjoyed hearing about the stories and gossip but it's all been hashed out so many times by now.
I personally enjoyed the drama around Luna's meltdowns, too. You got to admit it kept the place interesting. But I think novelty is what I miss, for what little there was.
If you wanted to revive anything then an IRL reunion somewhere in the US would be nice.
What you're missing is the random moments of kindness, which I liked, because it reminded me about the human nature in the midst of all the fighting.
They're both human nature, but I agree over enjoying seeing someone have the freedom to be horrible yet choose not to.
It means so much more than if they simply did it because it's mandatory.
I personally enjoyed the drama around Luna's meltdowns, too. You got to admit it kept the place interesting. But I think novelty is what I miss, for what little there was.
It gave a common enemy, but it also made it harder to keep some people and attract others.
It was like an in joke that outsiders found repulsive.
If you wanted to revive anything then an IRL reunion somewhere in the US would be nice.
People were already skittish over it before when the idea seemed more likely.
I don't dislike BT but I do blame the general state of mindlessness on him.
Turncoat said:
It gave a common enemy, but it also made it harder to keep some people and attract others.
It was like an in joke that outsiders found repulsive.
It did more good than harm.
If you wanted to revive anything then an IRL reunion somewhere in the US would be nice.
People were already skittish over it before when the idea seemed more likely.
Now is the perfect time. People don't have any investment they're afrid of losing, theres less hostility, and everyone knows that even if you get doxed nobody will be invested enough to do anything. Joining would be a no brainer even for me now, despite the fact that I'm probably the least inclined to show up in person.
I don't dislike BT but I do blame the general state of mindlessness on him.
The downsizing culture started with others.
Turncoat said:It gave a common enemy, but it also made it harder to keep some people and attract others.
It was like an in joke that outsiders found repulsive.It did more good than harm.
Howso? What's your take on it?
I hate Nostalgia, is a thin line from depression or even lamentation like BT said.
Embrace the new, be glad for your experiences and how they will add you in the future. Don't hang around too much on the pass, specially about the ones who passed away, nothing good ever comes out of that.
I hate Nostalgia, is a thin line from depression or even lamentation like BT said.
So no class reunions huh?
Nostalgia is not necessarily a thin line from depression.
You're talking about reminiscencing about a better past, or living in it, not accepting that things have changed. That's not too far off from the theme of this topic, but nostalgia can be about remembering the fun things and looking back on your life with a smile on your face. And even if all your life was a depressing mess, at least you can learn from it.
In every class reunion there's that one girl who complains they've achieved nothing in life, jealous of everyone around them. Ha. The funny thing I'm realizing that's me now, although I feel no jealousy.