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Jada said:

God can both know and not know something at the same time.

Where does it say God doesn't know something? 

I don't care which idiots you've argued with, by the way, Most Christians who debate are poor at it. They can be deceived into taking on a position that was never theirs to begin with.

Yet you'd bring up a "Most Christians" argument over how they are not Fundamentalist? Who's to say that those who follow The Bible as anything but Fundamentalism is 'Deceived' in this case? 

How can you sit here and say they are doing it wrong, while also saying they are doing it right? Unlike your weird God construct you've cobbled together with little basis in the texts, people are bound by logic. 

They have good intentions, but they are just not as well-versed in making logical arguments as I am, since logic and science is how I make my living. You using logic means you've already lost.

There is nothing in The Bible to support that God is beyond Logic, merely that He is beyond mortal understanding. We can sit here and accept that God is All-Knowing and All-Seeing as a 'witness' of sorts without being able to comprehend how that works, and if anything God's path is often construed as 'the logical one' over how he sees the outcome before He even acts. 

It's easy to say God can't sin when He can literally see what comes of it later, paving the way to do so-called 'Bad' behaviors in the name of a 'Greater Good'. This is how they've been able to justify warfare in spite of the moral tenants the faith claims to adhere to. 

As for the whole bible vs belief thing, I don't care about it to be honest. It means nothing to me if people became Christians through the environment they grew up in, reading the bible, or some personal holy experience. Only people like you care, but you're not a believer, so who gives a shit lol.

This stance in a debate sounds like giving up to me, you're basically on the stance of "Who Cares" while arguing points you clearly care enough about to type out. 

I'd be more prone to giving up on the discussion myself meanwhile once you're no longer arguing from the source material. Between every Christian there is The Bible, even within their splintering of faiths, so it makes sense to address the commonality among them unless you're going to say "The Bible Is Wrong". 

If your stance is that "The Bible Is Wrong", then you're in the frame of mind to believe in literally anything. You even stand to have the room to believe Jesus is your boyfriend like Turquie did through this kind of path. 

You are missing the point altogether, which is that God is omnipotent. So your question about where does it say that God can break logic is like asking where does it say God can lift a big rock. It doesn't need to say it explicitly. He's omnipotent. He can do anything.

Someone who can break logic is more powerful than someone who cannot. It's obvious.

As for your other thing, no, the Bible is not wrong. I'm happy to answer questions from confused non-believers. What would you like to know?

Jada said: 

You are missing the point altogether, which is that God is omnipotent. So your question about where does it say that God can break logic is like asking where does it say God can lift a big rock. It doesn't need to say it explicitly. He's omnipotent. He can do anything.

But does He not know everything then, across all of time and space? 

If He knows everything and can do anything, then it always remains a choice to Him. There'd be nothing to stop Himself from going back and changing the Adam and Eve story to play out differently while still granting them the freedom of choice over presenting a different environment, but He doesn't. 

If God makes no mistakes, then everything God does is intended for the narrative. He knows how all situations would end up, and all we're seeing is the way He meant for things to go. 

Someone who can break logic is more powerful than someone who cannot. It's obvious.

God does not break logic though, He follows different rules. 

Just because you could lobotomize yourself or cut off your hand doesn't mean you'll end up doing it, and the same is true for God according to The Bible. He has a very clearly established modus operandi that is consistent in spite of how He could do anything else. Just because one can doesn't mean they will or should, and for God that is especially true if The Bible is to be taken seriously. 

As such, God follows a set of rules, even if self-inflicted, that make it that much less likely that He could 'Do Anything', in fact The Bible expressly does say at least one thing God could never do: Sinning. 

When you know everything choice becomes absent, as you would even know your own choices in advance and could fix it at any time. Just conjecture on my part, but I suspect God made Humans to have others respond to things as if they weren't so powerful and all-knowing, implying there is a reason why He'd make ignorant life forms rather than knowledgeable ones. 

As for your other thing, no, the Bible is not wrong. I'm happy to answer questions from confused non-believers. What would you like to know?

If The Bible is not wrong, then you are. 

You're still trying to apply logic to something that can break logic. He knows everything, grants Adam and Eve freedom of choice, and Adam and Eve chose to eat the forbidden fruit. This is really not that hard. God makes no mistakes, either.

All of what you're saying is assuming that God is not all powerful and cannot break logic. He can.

As for your "can vs will" thing, they can both will and will not. You're still working under the paradigm that God is caged through logic.

Of course God will not sin. Definitionally. What God does is not sinning. It's not that he cannot sin, it's that we've defined sinning as that which God does not do, not as that which God can not do.

The bible is not wrong, you are.

Having said that, I'm getting bored of this, because you're arguing so poorly. Do you have anything else?

You clearly aren't even trying anymore, and continue to show how you have never read it. 

If God makes no mistakes, can do anything, and has made no steps towards changing it, then everything that's happened was intentional.

 Adam and Eve had the means of making choices ignorantly, but God put the tree there when He could have simply not. This is less of a "Free Will" question and more of a "Why did he put that tree there" question. 

What if this world is hell? We are sinners sent here to try to evolve to a higher self? It makes sense when you think about how the formula to survive is so brutal. We must kill other living things for food, birthing is bloody and brutal, everyone we love will die. Maybe there are other planes of existence where life isn’t like this. 
haha idk more interesting than arguing about the bible  anyhow. 

Turncoat said: 

You clearly aren't even trying anymore, and continue to show how you have never read it.

I know the bible much better than you do. You're right that I'm losing interest because you're just not getting it. You're basically unable to engage at my level, and it's showing....

> If God makes no mistakes, can do anything, and has made no steps towards changing it,blablabla

Does this statement apply logic to God, who can break logic? I am aware of this fallacious line of reasoning very well because Ive listened to it for the past 2 years in atheist circles whilst working "undercover." You trying to apply logic to God. Clearly He didn't.

Interlocutor said: 

What if this world is hell? We are sinners sent here to try to evolve to a higher self? It makes sense when you think about how the formula to survive is so brutal. We must kill other living things for food, birthing is bloody and brutal, everyone we love will die. Maybe there are other planes of existence where life isn’t like this. 
haha idk more interesting than arguing about the bible  anyhow. 

This is almost as retarded as Turncoat's rambling. But it is certainly more interesting, I agree.

What is more interesting to think is if we were happier if all those problems went away. We would not be. We love suffering, the more the better. Thats why humanity as a whole was happier a long time ago. Miserable people who constantly want more drive our genetic line.

The only thing that can help is salvation, really.

Respect for TC in this thread 

velvet said: 

Men created the idea of god because they couldn't stand to think themselves so insignificant nor willingly accept ignorance. Even their self-flagellation stemmed from vanity and pride

The indoctrination of children and the general fear mongering keeps many more minds bound by religious constraints

 Good fucking job, velvet