This anti Christian rhetoric is so passe. Theres zero reason you would get neutered along the way.
Dante's inferno paints a very different picture of hell. Pretty sure that after 100 years of burning non stop and having your skin peeled you're ready to change your mind about going to paradise and living happily ever after, instead of spending literally an eternity more there.
This anti Christian rhetoric is so passe. Theres zero reason you would get neutered along the way.
They remove all potential for sin from the subject who's given a second chance on God's second attempt at Eden, a time that promises no more death. If you do not see that as a spiritual neutering, then you aren't really embracing the animal aspects of what it means to be Human. Having all humans that remain behave practically the same (within expected gender roles too), while immortal, and very high odds of being barred from procreation if we're to base any of this off of the trials Lilith was put through, such a world sounds pretty neutered.
When you look at how many things are causally connected to sin, you see how a lot of what makes us who we are stands to disappear. The way angels are written as naive agents of His will is effectively God's plan for people once Satan's reign fades post-Rapture. The notion of Evil is like the fruit of knowledge, once exposed people are forever tainted by their increased awareness. Would you propose that the ideal path is one where people are less aware of things? Would you propose a world where the only genre of music is Christian in themes?
If people weren't being given the promise of being thrown into the incinerator for simply being themselves, Hell'd be a preferable place. Satan's strengths exist from cultivating the might of Humanity through it's History, allowing for Science and the like to thrive under such anti-Christian values. Even the majority of food we eat has been heavily twisted away from God's designs, at this point to simply be alive is to embrace the 'Unnatural' Biblically.
To enjoy Culture as we know it is to deny God's Utopia, and to embrace His path is to rid ourselves of Choice in the long run. Rather than sell my soul to God, it makes more sense to me to handle this like old school sci fi movies where people side with Humanity simply because they are Human themselves.
By my take at least, many other religions and philosophies prove healthier on the human psyche. The values it promotes are so old world that it applies most successfully these days in third world countries and heavily impoverished settlements that don't have as much access to higher learning.
In less words in case the above is too wordy, God doesn't seem to like it when Immortals procreate and it'd be the death of Humanity as it's own self-centered concept through the removal of personal freedoms, choice, and sin, accounting for less variation overall to the point of individuality disappearing. There would only be one path left; His.
It'd be the death of culture in favor of becoming no differently handled than how we domesticate and spay/neuter pets to 'protect' them from themselves. With Death gone we wouldn't even be able to eat Meat anymore and the world would effectively be frozen in time with spiritually lobotomized people tending the gardens.
Maybe because we understand our own mortality. God bless you.
Doesn't mean there needs to be a God. Also, if there's an afterlife that would mean you are immortal but religious folks always try to have their cake and eat it too.
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This anti Christian rhetoric is so passe. Theres zero reason you would get neutered along the way.
They remove all potential for sin from the subject who's given a second chance on God's second attempt at Eden, a time that promises no more death. If you do not see that as a spiritual neutering, then you aren't really embracing the animal aspects of what it means to be Human. Having all humans that remain behave practically the same (within expected gender roles too), while immortal, and very high odds of being barred from procreation if we're to base any of this off of the trials Lilith was put through, such a world sounds pretty neutered.
When you look at how many things are causally connected to sin, you see how a lot of what makes us who we are stands to disappear. The way angels are written as naive agents of His will is effectively God's plan for people once Satan's reign fades post-Rapture. The notion of Evil is like the fruit of knowledge, once exposed people are forever tainted by their increased awareness. Would you propose that the ideal path is one where people are less aware of things? Would you propose a world where the only genre of music is Christian in themes?
If people weren't being given the promise of being thrown into the incinerator for simply being themselves, Hell'd be a preferable place. Satan's strengths exist from cultivating the might of Humanity through it's History, allowing for Science and the like to thrive under such anti-Christian values. Even the majority of food we eat has been heavily twisted away from God's designs, at this point to simply be alive is to embrace the 'Unnatural' Biblically.
To enjoy Culture as we know it is to deny God's Utopia, and to embrace His path is to rid ourselves of Choice in the long run. Rather than sell my soul to God, it makes more sense to me to handle this like old school sci fi movies where people side with Humanity simply because they are Human themselves.By my take at least, many other religions and philosophies prove healthier on the human psyche. The values it promotes are so old world that it applies most successfully these days in third world countries and heavily impoverished settlements that don't have as much access to higher learning.
You have such a weird take on Christianity that it's hard to respond seriously. Almost no Christian actually believes any of what you say. Most of your objections are to fundamental Christians, which is a niche group taking the bible literally, not the majority view.
The fruit of knowledge symbolizes the fact that once you become aware of evil, see it around, and participate in it, it's difficult to go back to how life once was. You know this.
The story furthermore is one of arrogance and deceit. Adam and Eve broke the rules of Eden and deceived God. I can see how you would argue that this was OK, given that you're a rather arrogant person, despite proclaiming otherwise. You don't want to see someone standing above you, it's like a trigger for you. But, you know, recognizing that someone, in this case the literal God, is superior to you, is a nice exercise in humility. He will help you in return.
As for the neutering part, that's pretty retarded. You're making it sound like some clockwork orange dystopia where people jack you up in machines and wash your brain until nothing is left. I'm sure you've thought about this for a very long time, but that's just retarded and I don't even know how to begin responding to that, because it's so disconnected from reality.
You have such a weird take on Christianity that it's hard to respond seriously. Almost no Christian actually believes any of what you say. Most of your objections are to fundamental Christians, which is a niche group taking the bible literally, not the majority view.
So your argument is that it only sounds absurd from taking The Bible too seriously?
Imagine trying that sort of excuse during a Book Report in school.
The story furthermore is one of arrogance and deceit. Adam and Eve broke the rules of Eden and deceived God.
They didn't understand why it was bad, and God saw in advance this would happen.
One might argue that makes it an intentional choice from the deity, since the whole 'freedom of choice' thing could still exist even with God having changed the environment to reflect different things. For whatever reason we were fated to be touched by the corruption of the fruit, and Adam and Eve were little more than animals at that point in the timeline, they knew not what they were doing.
As for the neutering part, that's pretty retarded.
You think God would let us continue to procreate once immortal, and you don't see losing parts of yourself as a bad thing?
You're saying I'm accusing you of taking the bible too seriously? You mean literally. For someone who frequently accuses Delora of taking things too literally you sure are exercising a double standard when it benefits your own arguments! Most Christians are not fundamentalists for a reason.
As for your second question, no, God did not necessarily see that Adam and Eve would take the fruit in advance. You're trying to use logic to understand God. God is above logic and any other man-made artificial construct for that matter. Logic by its own definition breaks down when we talk about God. So your atheistic rambling is stupid.
For that matter, why would I see losing part of myself, such as the ugly side of myself that I want to be rid of, as a bad thing? Everything that happens in heaven is not bad, definitionally. So your question is absurd.
You're saying I'm accusing you of taking the bible too seriously? You mean literally.
No, I mean 'Seriously'. Even more figurative takes on The Bible where it's treated as metaphors to model off of still lends to the source material.
If they don't believe the things being said are of their faith they only need to be given the passages, and unlike you the majority from my experience who actually believe in the Christian God take such things seriously when confronted with them.
Most Christians are not fundamentalists for a reason.
Most don't even know the entire story and simply cling to a belief in God vaguely over how they were raised.
Are you arguing that the religion's lowest common denominator ought to be taken as the faith, rather than the Holy Texts themselves being what should be focused on?
As for your second question, no, God did not necessarily see that Adam and Eve would take the fruit in advance.
Logic by its own definition breaks down when we talk about God. So your atheistic rambling is stupid.
The only way this can be taken seriously from you is if you are trying to tell me that The Bible is incorrect, which at that point would yield how Christian you aren't for most people.
I'm starting to think you've never even read it.
I've read the entire Bible in my native language.
My take is nuttier? You are silly enough to argue that God is bound by Logic. And I'm the nutcase
God can both know and not know something at the same time. You applying your man-made constructs and thinking you can bound God by them is the height of arrogance. Trust God, and rely not on your own limited understanding.
I don't care which idiots you've argued with, by the way, Most Christians who debate are poor at it. They can be deceived into taking on a position that was never theirs to begin with. They have good intentions, but they are just not as well-versed in making logical arguments as I am, since logic and science is how I make my living. You using logic means you've already lost. Try to argue from a different place, like be morally outraged by the Bible or something. Otherwise you will give up when you know I'm right, which I always am. It's boring, really, being always right.
As for the whole bible vs belief thing, I don't care about it to be honest. It means nothing to me if people became Christians through the environment they grew up in, reading the bible, or some personal holy experience. Only people like you care, but you're not a believer, so who gives a shit lol.
My life is my proof, personally. I should have died so many times in my life, but I was miraculously saved, it's just impossible that God doesn't exist. I've been protected. I'm a blind man walking in the valley of the shadow of the death, yet I feel no fear. I know there's always light at the end of the tunnel -- there always is, has been, and will be. You trying to sow discord between us and God is as futile as trying to move Earth off its orbit around the sun.
You are bound to self destruct eventually, given the trajectory you've taken.
Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers..
