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Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?


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I saw some of these me around the Internet about people saying that it would be transphobic to not want to date trans people.

I mean, it sounded so ridiculous to me that I thought it was some kind of a joke to fuel anti-trans hate by right-wing nutjobs, but turns out this thing was real:
https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019/12/14/refusing-date-trans-people-transphobic

I mean for fucks sake. To be fair, I should point out that the article, like many others, say:

"Before we dive into why these numbers reflect some combination of ignorance and transphobia, I want to get one point out of the way first: this article is not to suggest in any way, shape, or form that people "owe" transgender people dating opportunities or sex."

But, in my humble opinion, it does just that. I mean, the article pretty much concludes trans people should be owed sex or the whole population is transphobic.

Another, even more radical example is here:
https://medium.com/@QSE/when-you-say-i-would-never-date-a-trans-person-its-transphobic-here-s-why-aa6fdcf59aca

"(..) you might be missing out on sex that’s fun and pleasurable just because you’re unable to see a penis as feminine or a vulva as masculine. How is my permanently attached strapon functionally any different than a cis woman’s detachable strapon?"

Lmao. I mean, I agree, but I mean cmon, calling someone transphobic because they don't want to get a dick up their ass...

Same here: https://mashable.com/article/no-trans-people-preference-transphobic
"“No trans people” cannot be a preference, because the only characteristic shared by all trans people is transness."

How can it not be a preference? That's like saying "no dead people" cannot be a preference because the only characteristic shared by all dead people is that they're dead. People have all sorts of preferences. I'd imagine if I went and started thinking that I'm entitled to sex from all women and that they're x-phobic if they don't let me fuck them, yeah, I would imagine that'd be a problem. Some people want to date people within a certain race, they have height preferences, age preferences, etc, etc. Literally no other group gets a pass on forcing anyone to want to have sex with them.

However, to be fair, I did notice that this is a fringe view. Having scoured a similar question in a topic on a trans forum, most trans people at least there didn't feel like it was transphobic for someone to have a strong preference towards dating non-trans people. Most trans people do not seem to hold this view.

So what you think?

Transphobic or not?

last edit on 2/17/2023 4:48:56 PM
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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?

If you find them attractive, but then turn away from them once you find out their trans, it might be transphobia. 

Now when I call it that, I am not meaning you are being an anti-trans bigot or any kinda Tumblr rhetoric, but it is a fear of exploring that in spite of yourself if you otherwise were attracted by the trap until it sprung. 

I feel like it'd be like suddenly turning on someone once you saw them out of makeup for the first time. I also, while I do understand the motivation not to otherwise, think trans people should be open about who they are rather than letting shame tell them they need to fool people. 

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last edit on 2/17/2023 4:49:59 PM
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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?

If you find them attractive, but then turn away from them once you find out their trans, it might be transphobia. 

Now when I call it that, I am not meaning you are being an anti-trans bigot, but it is a fear of exploring that in spite of yourself if you otherwise were attracted by the trap until it sprung. 

I feel like it'd be like suddenly turning on someone once you saw them out of makeup for the first time.

That sounds insane to me.

If you replaced finding out that they're trans with any other preference, you wouldn't call them x-phobic. Or would you?

Like, you found out they were broke and in debt for life. Are you then poor-phobic?

Or you found out they have criminal history?

Or you found out they have a dick, and you don't want to have a dick up your ass.

I think it's perfectly ok to not want to date someone when you see them without makeup for the first time if they look absolutely horrid. It sounds unfair, but people stop dating others for smaller reasons: "I just didn't feel it." Finding out someone has the same chromosomes as you might mean you can't get your dick up. Do you then just suck up your pride and live the rest of your life in misery?

last edit on 2/17/2023 5:00:00 PM
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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?

It is transphobic if you do not want to date trans people because you think they are inferior due to being trans.

cant think of any other reason it would be, its a personal preference.

 

If i am dating a girl and she does not tell me about her dick, till much later, there is an extremely high chance it will end when she does tell me. I do not like dicks.

Cheery bye!
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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?
Good said: 

It is transphobic if you do not want to date trans people because you think they are inferior due to being trans.

Inferior?

Yeah, but imho then you're anyway a bigot, if you think they're inferior humans or something. That's like full-blown right-wing nutjobbery.

If i am dating a girl and she does not tell me about her dick, till much later, there is an extremely high chance it will end when she does tell me.

But there's still a chance?

Nice. Very progressive.

last edit on 2/17/2023 5:05:25 PM
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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?
Good said: 

It is transphobic if you do not want to date trans people because you think they are inferior due to being trans.

Inferior?

Yeah, but imho then you're anyway a bigot, if you think they're inferior humans or something. That's like full-blown right-wing nutjobbery.

No, that's just being transphobic. It is the same when people are sexist or racist and so on. If you think those people are equal, you cant be sexist or racist, it wont make sense, when its not a personal taste kind of thing.

When it's about dating, it is a personal taste, what kind of personality and physical features you like in a person, as well as culture, class, etc. And all of those are affected by their sex, ethnicity, nationality, etc.

 

But when it comes to hiring someone to get a job done, none of those things matter. So if you discriminate based on those things, it is because you think they are inferior. There are a few other outliers, but they are not worth a mention right now.

Cheery bye!
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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?

 

But there's still a chance?

Nice. Very progressive.

Yeah, but it will require a lot of work from the other person tbh. She/he has to make up for what I dislike in other ways.

Cheery bye!
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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?
Good said: 
But when it comes to hiring someone to get a job done, none of those things matter. So if you discriminate based on those things, it is because you think they are inferior. There are a few other outliers, but they are not worth a mention right now.

I'd agree with that.

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Good said: 

Yeah, but it will require a lot of work from the other person tbh. She/he has to make up for what I dislike in other ways.

What would it take?

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0 votes RE: Is it transphobic to not want to date trans people?
Good said: 

Yeah, but it will require a lot of work from the other person tbh. She/he has to make up for what I dislike in other ways.

What would it take?

 I do not know. I am not sure it's humanly possible lol.

Cheery bye!
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