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Seasons I'd sorted into trends, and found the following focus themes to be true: 

Spring: Direct Others
Summer: Direct Self
Fall: Indirect Self
Winter: Indirect Others

Direct vs Indirect refers to their conversation style, whether they are more prone to forwardly saying what they mean or if they are more prone to referring to other things to get the intended point across. 

Others vs Self refers to the focus of the conversation, what they are really looking at when they are stating things that can then be reflected in word choices. You for example see Leo, a mid-summer sign, much more prone to self-reference than other signs, while Aquarius being a mid-winter sign are more prone to trying to shift it towards other people. The above quote is a part of why opposite sign combinations can end up a bit strange when compared to more complimentary placements. 

To clarify, the season system above only makes sense in a direct way over Sun signs, but the signs that correspond to those placements for moon and ascendants tend to follow the same focus themes. Aries/Taurus/Gemini constitute the range of Spring for example, but you could have a Taurus moon born in Fall over how Moon an Ascendant follow a different calendar speed. When I refer to a season, I am using that as shorthand for the season's corresponding three signs. 

When you consider how people turn out in conjunction with the demands of each season, you start to see things go a bit parallel. It's kind of neat to compare to things like literary themes that aim to personify seasons. 

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Following this, you can subdivide each season down to it's three stages: 

Stage 1: Cardinal
Cardinal signs are the earliest portion of the month once the former Mutable sign's time is up. They tend to represent the desire to direct where things go, somewhat like leadership but in different ways from one another. Libra leadership for example tends to be over mediation, avoiding the conflict through agreements and social work, while Aries leadership tends to be over taking direct action, seeing that as the way to get things done with many showing more of a willingness towards things like violence. 

Stage 2: Fixed
Fixed signs are in the center of the season, comfortable where they are and less hurried in accomplishing their needs. You tend to see Fixed signs stubbornly hold their ground more than the other two categories, even though those stubborn areas may be over completely different areas. A Taurus for example will hold their ground over more literal, surface level concerns, while a Scorpio tends to hold their ground more over image or principle, lending to an opposition of hard work vs smart work between the two of them respectively. 

Stage 3: Mutable
Mutable signs are right on the solstice, associated with the time of year more connected to transitioning. These sort tend to be the most capable of change over a sense of streamlining being the norm. Gemini for example tends to not hold onto complex thought quite as easily as other people, but over keeping their thoughts smaller they tend to be able to rush through many of them at a time, lending to gifts like improvisation. By comparison a Sagittarius as Gemini's opposite is still a mutable sign, but they tend to have their room to grow be over sticking to one area strongly and throwing that one thing at everything (lending to travel, education, and journalism). 

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Following this, there are elemental themes done as an arrangement in a consistent alternating pattern. Thankfully tons of our media tend to reflect elemental writing, which makes it easy to use as a comparative symbol for traits: 

Fire: 
Fire signs tend to be more brash, consisting of Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius. It is a Yang sign, meaning it tends to Push or Give. 

Earth: 
Earth signs tend to be more pragmatic, consisting of Capricorn, Taurus, and Virgo. It is a Yin sign, meaning it tends to Pull or Take. 

Air: 
Air signs tend to be more avoidant, consisting of Libra, Aquarius, and Gemini. It is a Yang sign, meaning it tends to Push or Give.

Water: 
Water signs tend to be more malleable, consisting of Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. It is a Yin sign, meaning it tends to Pull or Take. 


Look into the common themes of the signs associated with their element and you'll start to notice their energy in how they carry themselves. The tendencies tend to be even more obvious in clusters of signs around a single element, even if those three are not all the same sign. 

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Using the above, you can attempt to make guesses at birth signs based on constructed themes. 

Aries for example could also be listed as Cardinal Spring Fire, while Libra by comparison could be listed as Cardinal Fall Air. 

Through being able to look for structural themes, you can attempt to deduce how their behavior could potentially match up with a time of year that they were born, purely based on typical trends associated with them that can be observed over watching a wide enough base of them for note-taking. 

With the above, that should be enough to get started. Looking into clusters on Astrotheme and Astrocharts was how I would sort out lists of names and then set up tabs of interviews for the next hour or more, pausing to take notes and look for similarities in word choices, sentence structure, physical tells, etc. 

Following this is looking at how Sun/Moon/Ascendant interact with one another, such as if they are Adjunct or Conjunct. 

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last edit on 1/22/2023 9:07:24 AM
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Great, I have shit astrology.

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I mean it's pretty obvious what I am, I think anyone who reads anything I say would know that about me

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Evidently astrology does not account for precession? 

Based on what TC describes it sounds like that may not actually matter. But in that case these patterns may be specific to Earths seasonal patterns than actual constellations. This ofc is only true for the sun sign stuff. 

Or is precession not relevant because sign charts just don't work that way? 

last edit on 1/23/2023 3:35:59 AM
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Is Virgo late summer or early fall?

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Is Virgo late summer or early fall?

Mutables count as where they started for the sake of organizing the chart, but in general as they err closer to the other seasons you see the value governed between that time shift change a little. 

So Virgo is Mutable Summer Earth, part of the Direct Self cluster teetering towards Indirect. 

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Evidently astrology does not account for precession? 

The Astrologers who go deeper with it account for the slight shifts in axis each year, which is part of how it can help to list a birth year as well for charting.

You can generally gauge it without it similarly to that of a calendar, as the offset of it is pretty minimal over the yearly gradation. Being born like six days apart from eachother, while it would show very mild differences in relation to sun behavior, is easier to overlook than comparing an entirely different sign or even the same sign on opposite cusps. 

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last edit on 1/23/2023 5:30:39 AM
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