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I've been thinking about awakening, buddha, and stuff like that. I guess I'm just going to write this out in blanc style primarily as a reminder for myself rather than as entertainment for others.. and give a shout out to Spatial and Alice who I think have experienced similar awakenings before. I shall write this in a humorous manner, that is, to make this more entertaining. If you don't care, then fuck off.

 

When I was young, I was very interested in what Robert Saltzmann had to say about awakening. He has a website with some beautiful pictures (including beautiful black-and-white photos of naked ladies next to pretty stones), stories, videos, and a Q&A forum where he was offering his consultation services to people for free. His awakening, I guess, comes from the realization that there is only one life and that every moment is precious. It's a nice philosophy, and it helped me stop wallowing in self-pity when I was younger and I was thrown on the streets by my family.

I think it's helpful to think there is such a thing as an "awakening" in a broader sense. Like, a sudden realization that you've been doing everything wrong all along, or there was something that was always there that you never paid attention to.

I've felt awakened in a sense several times. When I was a kid, I remember I was running on the playground, and I was very slow, I sucked at tag. Then, and this sounds ridiculous, I realized I could run faster, so I did. It was like, I realized I could move my legs faster, so I could move faster. It was like I was doing what I thought I was "supposed" to do, almost like acting.

last edit on 12/28/2022 1:42:02 PM
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Later in life, I felt awakened when I fixed my tics. When I was a kid, I had tons of tics, up until secondary school. I was doing lots of stupid things like licking my lips and twisting my neck like a moron repeatedly, so they diagnosed me with some mental illness and said I should go to special school, which I didn't, but only because my mother said no. One day, I realized that I could just not do any of those tics, so I stopped doing it. I know it sounds stupid as fuck, but that's just what happened. I stopped. Somehow, before, I thought that I couldn't fix it because I had that mental illness, and I just had to live with it, cause that's what the psychiatrists told me. Then I went to the psychiatrist and said I don't have that mental illness anymore. lol.

Later on, I sucked at school. I was always good at math, but I never realized I could improve. It was like school didn't improve me or help me. I was there to do some work and then go home. Then I realized, one day, that I could focus if I tried. So I got all A's. It was almost like a magic trick, where suddenly I realized that I can do better, and always could have. So I decided to do it. It wasn't a slow transition, it was more like an on/off switch. I went from a D/C student to an A student in one day.

I remember looking at this show about this autistic calculator. He was severely autistic but he could do insane multiplications in his head, at higher precision than pocket calculators. What he said is that he realized that lightning means zero and something, and that he thinks everyone can do calculations the way he does, as long as they realize how to do it. I think he was awakened. An awakened autist.

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When I was in University, I was severely secluded. I had no friends, my family abandoned me, and, at the time, I felt very inadequate for not having ever dated anyone. I think it was a culmination of many things happening around me, but I suddenly realized that I could be happy, I didn't need to be sad and depressed. I still think being depressed is a choice. Anyone can get out of depression, if they want to. But they don't really want to, they choose to feel sorry for themselves, they enjoy it. I saw myself 20 years later, as a depressed lonely man, and realized it wasn't what I wanted. So I decided to change it. I'd say that my social transition was a slow one, I had to learn how to smile, for example, but the moment where I realized that I could be happy and utterly shameless came immediately. I'd like to think I had a moment of awakening about how I could be utterly without shame, in the way that I didn't care what people thought about me. It was like chains had been lifted. Suddenly, I felt nobody's judgement. I could be vulnerable, without caring.

Ultimately, after over 15 years of thinking about this, I think awakening is about being present, but it's one of those things that is difficult to pinpoint. It's easier to say what it isn't. I suppose the opposite of awakening is listening to your body, and what I would call zombie mode. Zombie mode being the mode where you're taking the passenger seat in life. A good example of someone who lives like a zombie is the character that the person behind the Inquirer sockpuppet plays.

last edit on 12/28/2022 1:44:37 PM
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You seem like a faggot. Also I’m pretty good at multiplying double digit numbers in my head, very very good at mental math, would assume I am better at mental math in general than that autistic savant.

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I think it's helpful to think there is such a thing as an "awakening" in a broader sense. Like, a sudden realization that you've been doing everything wrong all along, or there was something that was always there that you never paid attention to.

What makes the life they led up to that point "wrong" though, rather than necessary for seeing it as enough of a problem to try to get past it? Would you have awakened to this if you hadn't seen it as a problem in the first place? 

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AppleGenius said:
Later in life, I felt awakened when I fixed my tics. When I was a kid, I had tons of tics, up until secondary school. I was doing lots of stupid things like licking my lips and twisting my neck like a moron repeatedly, so they diagnosed me with some mental illness and said I should go to special school, which I didn't, but only because my mother said no. One day, I realized that I could just not do any of those tics, so I stopped doing it. I know it sounds stupid as fuck, but that's just what happened. I stopped. 

You're lucky, they must have not been that debilitating for you then, arguably qualified as obsessive quirks more than compulsions. 

For myself and some others who had it really bad it took Conditioning past the triggers and cues. I do not miss that portion of my life, it made even walking somewhere become a hellish ordeal. 

I think it was a culmination of many things happening around me, but I suddenly realized that I could be happy, I didn't need to be sad and depressed. I still think being depressed is a choice. Anyone can get out of depression, if they want to. But they don't really want to, they choose to feel sorry for themselves, they enjoy it.

Look into Neurochemistry, you were more likely sad and unmotivated, rather than full blown depression.

All your epiphanies are like "Well, what if I tried this?" with a bunch of flaws over areas you didn't try to improve on, like you social skills. Likely, this means you are either ignoring the times you tried and failed or you are only focusing on areas you know you could improve in, rather than trying truly difficult uphill climbs. You also make it seem more like you're motivated by punishment from your environment*, meaning areas that you are challenged in but unpunished remain weak. 

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last edit on 12/29/2022 8:10:10 AM
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I think it's helpful to think there is such a thing as an "awakening" in a broader sense. Like, a sudden realization that you've been doing everything wrong all along, or there was something that was always there that you never paid attention to.

What makes the life they led up to that point "wrong" though, rather than necessary for seeing it as enough of a problem to try to get past it? Would you have awakened to this if you hadn't seen it as a problem in the first place?

What makes what I did wrong? I guess it's only wrong in the subjective sense, sure, just like everything else. I don't think I would've paid attention if I didn't see it as a problem.

 

 

You're lucky, they must have not been that debilitating for you then, arguably qualified as obsessive quirks more than compulsions.

Thanks, because I could stop, you mean? I guess so. Well, it's impossible to tell, without having the lived experience of someone else. I wouldn't say it felt "debilitating" but I indeed didn't stop them even if I was bullied for it.

I was diagnosed with a syndrome and told that I have this mental thing that I can't stop them. If you're saying that, if you can stop them, you don't really have it, then I think you're defining the thing to be something you can't stop. It's like saying there's a permanent gaming addiction where you can never stop gaming, and if you stop, then you never had it. But then you can never diagnose anyone with it until after they're dead, and even then you're not sure if they could've.

 

For myself and some others who had it really bad it took Conditioning past the triggers and cues. I do not miss that portion of my life, it made even walking somewhere become a hellish ordeal.

Yeah? Like how? Watch out for the lines? :D

I get that there are different ways of getting past things. I do think that you could've just stopped if you chose to, I think it just would've felt uncomfortable.

 

Look into Neurochemistry, you were more likely sad and unmotivated, rather than full blown depression.

Nah, I had depression.

 

All your epiphanies are like "Well, what if I tried this?" with a bunch of flaws over areas you didn't try to improve on, like you social skills.

I wouldn't say I thought what if I tried this, it's more like I realized I could do something that I never thought I could do. It's difficult to explain.

At any rate, your post sounds a bit like repeatedly saying "I don't believe you, and you also sound arrogant" because you never had an awakening. That's understandable, I probably wouldn't believe me either, if I were in your shoes.

I didn't make the post to de-value your lived experience, though.

 

Likely, this means you are either ignoring the times you tried and failed or you are only focusing on areas you know you could improve in, rather than trying truly difficult uphill climbs. You also make it seem more like you're motivated until punished by your environment, meaning areas that you are challenged in but unpunished remain weak.

I'm not ignoring the value of climbing difficult hills. I'm just saying there are times when I've had a sudden life-altering awakening that had implications on the rest of my life. It doesn't make me a better person, I just wanted to put it out there. I wasn't expecting people to be offended over how I overcame difficulties in my life. What would you say is an area that I'm challenged in that has been unpunished and which remains weak?

 

I guess what you're calling "conditioning" is what I call "zombie mode". I think you choose to live with your conditioning.

last edit on 12/29/2022 2:20:59 AM
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i think Paulo Coelho wrote something along these lines sort of, lol in one of his books he said basically that the life people have is the life they choose for themselves whether its consciously or autonomously. and all of their smaller actions within that as well. 

 

https://www.biography.com/writer/paulo-coelho 

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I just responded and it glitched on me, so I'm going to more generally sum up my reply rather than type it back to the like.. 9985 character total it became. 

Whether it is or isn't the case, you sound like what I hear from people with mood disorders rather than constant chronic ones. Your Depression sounds contextual to your environment not challenging you but I suspect aligns towards a sense of timing as well, and your epiphanies being like lightning rather than steps up a ladder I've more often than not seen reported by people with some form of hyperactivity. For your average, more balanced person, epiphanies tend to come from a series of smaller steps lending to a larger outcome, while more excitable types can even find tiny things to be a huge development, lending to rapid adaptation at a surface level. Your depression could have been you feeling like a trapped Zoo animal within hyperactive tendencies, or one of two extremes for emotional phases that you report inaccurately. 

OCD has many ranges for intensity, at it's lower ranges (Quirks) becoming increasingly common across the average person as distinctive habits or particular tastes, while the higher more debilitating ranges (Compulsions) tend to be much more rare as a symptom among the cluster for a larger problem. How hard it is to walk away from those symptoms typically yields how debilitating it must have been for that individual in the first place, as many can find themselves trapped in these behaviors no differently than trying to ignore profusely itchy bug bites or, in the deeper cases, it can feel like resisting the urge to blink. The subject can be entirely aware of the issue, be actively working on it, and still find themselves acting on it from some loop in their brain having hardened over the related stimuli. The real mystery to me is moreover where they come from, rather than what lets them persist.

Conditioning has been Exposure Therapy, forcing myself as many others have had to do to the stimulus that triggers the response repeatedly until the reaction deadens. While this does not work for everyone, it can work in enough individuals to be worth the effort, and in my case it proved helpful for getting over older problems I had that otherwise fueled other problems adjacent to it into becoming worse through the increased stress. 

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last edit on 12/29/2022 3:44:42 AM
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Blanc said: 

i think Paulo Coelho wrote something along these lines sort of, lol in one of his books he said basically that the life people have is the life they choose for themselves whether its consciously or autonomously. and all of their smaller actions within that as well.

https://www.biography.com/writer/paulo-coelho 

That was interesting. I started reading the book. Thanks, Blanc.

I just responded and it glitched on me, so I'm going to more generally sum up my reply rather than type it back to the like.. 9985 character total it became. 

Whether it is or isn't the case, you sound like what I hear from people with mood disorders rather than constant chronic ones. Your Depression sounds contextual to your environment not challenging you but I suspect aligns towards a sense of timing as well, and your epiphanies being like lightning rather than steps up a ladder I've more often than not seen reported by people with some form of hyperactivity. For your average, more balanced person, epiphanies tend to come from a series of smaller steps lending to a larger outcome, while more excitable types can even find tiny things to be a huge development, lending to rapid adaptation at a surface level. Your depression could have been you feeling like a trapped Zoo animal within hyperactive tendencies, or one of two extremes for emotional phases that you report inaccurately. 

OCD has many ranges for intensity, at it's lower ranges (Quirks) becoming increasingly common across the average person as distinctive habits or particular tastes, while the higher more debilitating ranges (Compulsions) tend to be much more rare as a symptom among the cluster for a larger problem. How hard it is to walk away from those symptoms typically yields how debilitating it must have been for that individual in the first place, as many can find themselves trapped in these behaviors no differently than trying to ignore profusely itchy bug bites or, in the deeper cases, it can feel like resisting the urge to blink. The subject can be entirely aware of the issue, be actively working on it, and still find themselves acting on it from some loop in their brain having hardened over the related stimuli. The real mystery to me is moreover where they come from, rather than what lets them persist.

Conditioning has been Exposure Therapy, forcing myself as many others have had to do to the stimulus that triggers the response repeatedly until the reaction deadens. While this does not work for everyone, it can work in enough individuals to be worth the effort, and in my case it proved helpful for getting over older problems I had that otherwise fueled other problems adjacent to it into becoming worse through the increased stress.

If you had my lived experience, you would think differently. I think you're trying to fit me into a narrative because you suffer from what Daniel Kahnemann calls WYSIATI.

My depression was not chronic, from what it sounds like? It wasn't. I don't have depression anymore, so clearly it wasn't chronic. But it was definitionally not chronic. I'm just saying that, at the time, if you had evaluated me, without the wisdom of hindsight, my condition would have been indistinguishable from what you call "chronic depression".

In fact, I have major qualms with the way that modern psychiatry deals with mental illnesses. They've essentially elevated mental imperatives to the level of biological imperatives. I'm saying that there's no need to do that, and that there is no evidence that almost any of these chronic mental illnesses are actually chronic at all, with the exception of a few.

Would you say that Buddha and that guy Paulo Coelho was actually just ADHD, too, along with everyone else who thinks they've awakened?

To be fair, I was actually diagnosed with ADHD, alongside dyslexia and several learning disabilities. But I guess you knew that already. As for whether or not I was overtly excited by small changes -- I would  say jumping to a D or C student to a having the highest academic scores in the school overnight is not a small, incremental improvement. As for running as a kid, ever since what you call a small incremental improvement, I had the highest score in every race up until university. I'm not necessarily bragging, but I'm just saying that these realizations did not lead to small, incremental improvements that, as you say, I was overtly excited about because I was hyperactive.

OCD does have ranges, and I'd say that your analogy to "blinking" sounds very apt. I think you don't need to blink, either, if you don't want to. When you do resist blinking, at some point you will feel the biological imperative to blink, but that's no longer a mental imperative. If someone was giving you eye droplets like that scene from clockwork orange, I think you could just not blink. Bug bites, you can also just not scratch them. I get what you're talking about, but I'm saying that you can just choose not to do it.

I am also fascinated by how our brain works. I think it's a set of connections. I think I can sort of maneuver my brain in the way that I can switch between what I would call "modes", similarly to how people can switch their mindset by going to a familiar or a nostalgic place -- suddenly all those feelings and attitudes you used to have come back to you. Have you ever seen how someone becomes suddenly angry for no apparent reason when they visit a place? I like to think that they just accessed a section of their brain that is associated with some shitty memories and experiences. Being hopeless in front of those feelings and mental habits is what I call zombie mode.

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