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Einsoph said: 

It is as if hermeneutics began with Schleiermachen and Dilthey.

2. Read and Interpret the Bible Literally

“An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” – Matthew 12:39-40 Did Jesus use this example of Jonah allegorically? Absolutely not! He referred to Jonah's literal time in the belly of the great fish to foretell how long He would be in the grave. Jesus interpreted the Scriptures literally. And so should we.

What an odd choice to make this point when it expresses the most common symbolic pattern found in scripture.

Contemporary Christianity still struggles with its reconciliation with Modernism.

 

Lol yeah,  I think a better one for this one would be to check whether a sentence or passage is intended to be literal or figurative,  and sometimes it can be both literal but also symbolically representing a theme or something figurative  

 

I think a lot of people get confused on what is meant to be taken literally and what is meant to be taken symbolically,  the parables are easy to pin as figurative but there are some grey area texts that it takes careful discernment 

 

for example when Jesus was saying he was not going to drink wine again until the Kingdom of God had come,  be meant that the kingdom of God had already come and there are verses from earlier in the book about him saying that the Kingdom of God had come because he was casting out demons-  this is like both literally and symbolically ?  but the Pharisees wanted to know when the literal physical kingdom was coming

 

so yeah discerning between what is meant to be taken literally and what is symbolic is definitely the most complicated part of proper interpretation of the scriptures

I personally cannot trust literalism as it is nothing more than an attempt by 19th century protestants to reconcile scripture with a new world view that is inherently mechanistic and materialist.

Literalism concerns itself with the accuracy and measurement of a text in a Copernican-Cartesian Cosmos where space is horizontal and time is linear. As you have stated above the literalist places scripture in a historical context in an attempt to understand where and when the author may have found himself so that the meaning of his words may be more accurately understood or measured. At the least this is how the 19th century Evangelicals and Fundamentalists read during the Great Awakenings. I take issue with this reading when observing where this history is located, it is not a history in the biblical cosmology but instead the Copernican-Cartesian cosmology. Such a method of interpretation therefore removes scripture from its own cosmology where time is cyclical and space is vertical.

I prefer to read scripture in its own context, a context that assumes that the cosmology laid out it Genesis is in fact real. I do not view this as controversial because it was the common method of the church fathers, mothers, and saints prior to the 19th century going as far back as Origen if we only consider Christianity. It seems natural that if we are to believe that Scripture is the word of God that it be a self contained system whose meaning is contingent on understanding its own cosmology.

If you are a secularist it is advisable you read literally as it reconciles scripture with the secular worldview.

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I think that the author of the excerpt on biblical interpretation's point is to take everything in the scriptures literally unless there is reason to assume that it is actually metaphorical,  such as (not in the sense that miracles are impossible,  because they are possible)  if something just does not make sense unless it is seen from a metaphorical perspective  so take things literally unless it absolutely cannot be taken literally,  or unless the text outright calls it a parable or it is written parabolically

 

 

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I think that the author of the excerpt on biblical interpretation's point is to take everything in the scriptures literally unless there is reason to assume that it is actually metaphorical,  such as (not in the sense that miracles are impossible,  because they are possible)  if something just does not make sense unless it is seen from a metaphorical perspective  so take things literally unless it absolutely cannot be taken literally,  or unless the text outright calls it a parable or it is written parabolically

Yes, and I am saying that the authors view of valid interpretation is from a specific school of thought called conservative fundamentalism that begin in the 19th century. That school neglects nearly 3000 years of Rabbanical and Christian interpretation that is anti-literal. Worst in my opinion is that school of thought is nested in a cosmological ontology that is in direct opposition to the one described in the bible which in a sense makes it a kind of secular reading.

Turncoat would actually do better to avoid such a method of interpretation unless Turncoat is secular, but if Turncoat is secular there are other secular schools of thought.

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Einsoph said: 

I think that the author of the excerpt on biblical interpretation's point is to take everything in the scriptures literally unless there is reason to assume that it is actually metaphorical,  such as (not in the sense that miracles are impossible,  because they are possible)  if something just does not make sense unless it is seen from a metaphorical perspective  so take things literally unless it absolutely cannot be taken literally,  or unless the text outright calls it a parable or it is written parabolically

Yes, and I am saying that the authors view of valid interpretation is from a specific school of thought called conservative fundamentalism that begin in the 19th century. That school neglects nearly 3000 years of Rabbanical and Christian interpretation that is anti-literal. Worst in my opinion is that school of thought is nested in a cosmological ontology that is in direct opposition to the one described in the bible which in a sense makes it a kind of secular reading.

Turncoat would actually do better to avoid such a method of interpretation unless Turncoat is secular, but if Turncoat is secular there are other secular schools of thought.

 

yeah possibly,  and so much of the literal stuff that happened in the bible has also ended up being symbolic and prophetic  God is a God of symbols and prophecy and parables so you have to acknowledge that this stuff is woven all throughout the texts in every single book of the bible

 

 

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Will you look at that.

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Einsoph said: 

I think that the author of the excerpt on biblical interpretation's point is to take everything in the scriptures literally unless there is reason to assume that it is actually metaphorical,  such as (not in the sense that miracles are impossible,  because they are possible)  if something just does not make sense unless it is seen from a metaphorical perspective  so take things literally unless it absolutely cannot be taken literally,  or unless the text outright calls it a parable or it is written parabolically

Yes, and I am saying that the authors view of valid interpretation is from a specific school of thought called conservative fundamentalism that begin in the 19th century. That school neglects nearly 3000 years of Rabbanical and Christian interpretation that is anti-literal. Worst in my opinion is that school of thought is nested in a cosmological ontology that is in direct opposition to the one described in the bible which in a sense makes it a kind of secular reading.

Turncoat would actually do better to avoid such a method of interpretation unless Turncoat is secular, but if Turncoat is secular there are other secular schools of thought.

 yeah possibly,  and so much of the literal stuff that happened in the bible has also ended up being symbolic and prophetic  God is a God of symbols and prophecy and parables so you have to acknowledge that this stuff is woven all throughout the texts in every single book of the bible

I'm thinking you consider literal to mean an event that actually took place but the opinion you borrowed from that site is more complicated than that. When they use the term literal they mean an enumeration of physical facts in a story, this is what I mean when I say that they believe that those things they treat as literal exist in a Copernican-Cartesian Cosmos.

One does not need to treat scripture literally to believe events in the Bible took place and the benefit of this position is that you then gain the ability to believe that all the events in the bible did take place given their existence is no longer contingent on Physicalism.

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It is actually from an Inductive bible study how to book lol  https://www.amazon.com/Stop-Reading-Start-Studying-Inductive-ebook/dp/B018WGXK4Q,  but I do like GotQuestions and have found that they have a lot of helpful explanations on various topics  not that they are all knowledgeable by any means but they have been decently resourceful for the most part

 

 

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because your understanding of the holy bible divine mother, is so perfect that peasant trash like me cannot even begin to comprehend just how proper that understanding really is.

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Delora said: 

because your understanding of the holy bible divine mother, is so perfect that peasant trash like me cannot even begin to comprehend just how proper that understanding really is.

 

^  umm well your autism does seem to inhibit you from understanding anything other than literal,  soooooooooooo yeah I would agree with you on that I think that even Alice would agree with you on that,  especially after we have just discussed how much the figurative, metaphorical, symbolic and parabolic are essential parts of the holy scriptures............

 

I do not think that you are a lost cause or anything,  but you might want to study how to be able to understand metaphorical concepts more comprehensibly

 

 

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Delora said: 

because your understanding of the holy bible divine mother, is so perfect that peasant trash like me cannot even begin to comprehend just how proper that understanding really is.

 

^  umm well your autism does seem to inhibit you from understanding anything other than literal,  soooooooooooo yeah I would agree with you on that I think that even Alice would agree with you on that,  especially after we have just discussed how much the figurative, metaphorical, symbolic and parabolic are essential parts of the holy scriptures............

 

I do not think that you are a lost cause or anything,  but you might want to study how to be able to understand metaphorical concepts more comprehensibly

 

 

 your understanding of autism is as a fish to the desert.

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Delora said: 
Delora said: 

because your understanding of the holy bible divine mother, is so perfect that peasant trash like me cannot even begin to comprehend just how proper that understanding really is.

^  umm well your autism does seem to inhibit you from understanding anything other than literal,  soooooooooooo yeah I would agree with you on that I think that even Alice would agree with you on that,  especially after we have just discussed how much the figurative, metaphorical, symbolic and parabolic are essential parts of the holy scriptures............

 

I do not think that you are a lost cause or anything,  but you might want to study how to be able to understand metaphorical concepts more comprehensibly

 your understanding of autism is as a fish to the desert.

Like the Desert Pupfish

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