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Tryptamine said: 

If he is omnipotent, then yes, but chooses not to. Religious people often say the moral calculus of God can work in ways above or beyond our understanding, but is ultimately just. There is always a higher-level explanation; i.e. "there is evil in the world, because God wants us to have free will."

I figured God could only be Good in spite of anything He finds Himself doing over knowing the outcome of all possible choices. Through knowing everything, He would always pick that which is the most desirable towards His own aims and goals, so in the sense of Him knowing all outcomes before they happen it could only be taken as 'Just' by those tethered to fate in ways He is not. 

Figuring the ability to see the future into His actions while also seeing all of space would have to have Him judged by a different metric. 

cx3 said: 

Tryptamine said: 

If he is omnipotent, then yes, but chooses not to. Religious people often say the moral calculus of God can work in ways above or beyond our understanding, but is ultimately just. There is always a higher-level explanation; i.e. "there is evil in the world, because God wants us to have free will."

 Without free will, then there is no evil. Why did God choose so?

Out of love. :)

Turncoat said: 

Tryptamine said: 

If he is omnipotent, then yes, but chooses not to. Religious people often say the moral calculus of God can work in ways above or beyond our understanding, but is ultimately just. There is always a higher-level explanation; i.e. "there is evil in the world, because God wants us to have free will."

I figured God could only be Good in spite of anything He finds Himself doing over knowing the outcome of all possible choices. Through knowing everything, He would always pick that which is the most desirable towards His own aims and goals, so in the sense of Him knowing all outcomes before they happen it could only be taken as 'Just' but those tethered to fate in ways He is not. 

Figuring the ability to see the future into His actions while also seeing all of space would have to have him judged by a different metric. 

A true utilitarian.

I always thought if there were an omnipotent being, our thoughts must be pretty useless to it. Like how we view insects, but scaled infinitely. Though if consciousness is somehow important enough to interface with the fabric of reality (quantum mechanics/observation effect), and a being has ordered it this way, perhaps the conscious experience is the most important thing of all.

Tryptamine said: 

Turncoat said: 

Tryptamine said: 

If he is omnipotent, then yes, but chooses not to. Religious people often say the moral calculus of God can work in ways above or beyond our understanding, but is ultimately just. There is always a higher-level explanation; i.e. "there is evil in the world, because God wants us to have free will."

I figured God could only be Good in spite of anything He finds Himself doing over knowing the outcome of all possible choices. Through knowing everything, He would always pick that which is the most desirable towards His own aims and goals, so in the sense of Him knowing all outcomes before they happen it could only be taken as 'Just' but those tethered to fate in ways He is not. 

Figuring the ability to see the future into His actions while also seeing all of space would have to have him judged by a different metric. 

A true utilitarian.

I always thought if there were an omnipotent being, our thoughts must be pretty useless to it. Like how we view insects, but scaled infinitely. Though if consciousness is somehow important enough to interface with the fabric of reality (quantum mechanics/observation effect), and a being has ordered it this way, perhaps the conscious experience is the most important thing of all.

God might observe us somewhat overall through a means like the Noosphere concept similarly to how we'd view an Ant Colony, seeing how they keep emphasizing how He sees hearts more than words, but yeah I've had much of the same thoughts. The idea of knowing all of time and space though gives me the impression that the existence of God would have to have felt to Him like an instant. 

The Simpsons also had some similar ideas with one of their Treehouse of Horror segments: 

With future and past being convenient constructs, but not actualities… God is always Now.

Even people like Stephen Wolfram believe in no such thing as continual motion: things are recreated from moment to moment.  Creation is still happening.

But this is …aside from the topic of the thread, a bit.  Though it has some significance to predestination, free will and God’s-eye-view.