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I think abortions should be outlawed but only after certain steps. 

1. Let more women get their tubes tied for free even , and men get vasectomies

2. Provide more help to single parents and improve cps

3.fund ivf for free if the woman proves herself a good parent or the man if he is a father basically anyone intending to raise the child

 

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0 votes RE: Abortion is fine actually
Lenalee said: 
Hawk said: 
Lenalee said: 
Hawk said: 
Lenalee said: 
LiYang said: 

I've gone back and forth on this issue. Here's my logic at this point. Life starts at conception, the sperm and egg become a developing human life. Therefore killing he/she is homicide under our current laws. Killing a human life.

No additional government laws are needed.

The viability argument is not valid, children are not viable to survive on their own until at least 8 or 10 years old. I mean, just remember back to your first memory. The very first one. I was 3 or 4 years old for mine. Proof the brain is still developing and definitely not able to survive on your own.

So the viability argument would force abortion to be legal up until 8 to 10 years old.

This logic is not based on religion, god or faith of any kind. Just the definition of when life starts and existing laws. 

 Men should be forced to pay child support to full term of the pregnancy, as most pregnant women are unable to work or discriminated against and lose financially because of it. Maybe garnish the sperm donors paycheck for about 50% percent, while the state provides 50% if she can't find work due to her condition. 

Then after birth, the male should be made to pay any medical bills and additional necessities for the child while it is put into adoption.

If the child is not adopted and the male sperm donor refuses to take responsibility for the child then he should be forced to pay 70% in child support for the child and to the woman he impregnated, up to 2 years of age. 

Afterwards he should only be made to pay child support until the child is 18 years of age when the child is finally considered an adult. 

 So if a man impregnates his wife or girlfriend, he should give her half of his income, and the government should match that ?

Heh, heh, heh.

While I think a guy should look after his spouse, I don't see why he should overextend 50% of his income. In some cases 50% is far beyond sufficient.

If they want to make abortion illegal and want to force a woman to carry a baby to full term then the man that impregnated her should pay medical bills and 50% or more of his paycheck in order for the pregnant woman to carry the baby to term and then 70% for at least the first two years of the child's life of said child if the child doesn't get adopted. Children are expensive. Everyone knows that.

Men and women should be able to procreate without all these laws imposing on them.

If a couple doesn't want a child, then they should cut out risky behaviors in sex.

In most cases if a man has to sacrifice 50% of his income, that can destroy his nest unless of course she's going dutch, but it's still less income in the household if she isn't working.

 In that case new laws should be placed where if you're ass is broke, it should be illegal to procreate. Then we'll see less poverty in the future. Otherwise there'll be an issue of soul sucking hoes spawning a dozen kids and carrying them all from child support from multiple partners falling down into poverty.

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If you're going to have children. Do it because you want them. And choose your partners wisely, there's much better deals out there.

 So now you want to tell people how to have sex? 

Heh. Yeah doggy style and missionary only.

If 2 people are fucking around and they end up with an unplanned pregnancy, such fools they are. That being said there are better solutions for them, though no one likes to hear about that.

 

If the state and voters decide that a woman has no right to her life then the man that impregnated her should be in some way punished as well. Most women are discriminated against because of pregnancy, no one wants an employee that will take leave in 8 months, and those that are working aren't given sufficient time or money to be taking care of a child's needs. 

Her body will go through a traumatic change and experience meanwhile. The least that irresponsible man can do is help her financially. 

"Soul sucking hoes" 

It is simple Tony, allow them to have an abortion or pay up.

 There are women out there who'll profit from child support. I've seen it countless times over.

One guy I know paid $600 a months for 17 years ( she fucked him over bigly, got his house too ) and the woman was a packrat. When his daughter was older she'd go to him for new iPhones and other shit. By the time she was starting college, the daughter went back to him for money, as there wasn't any saved up from the child support )

Another thing, it really doesn't cost $600 a month to raise a kid.

I'm all for men supporting their families, and looking after the Miss. But not like this.

.

Another thing about abortions. They are legal and you can have them.

Last time there was a stink about abortions, is because activists were arguing how the government should pay for abortions with tax payers dollar.

The row vs, wade decision concluded that each state should be responsible for their own abortion laws. That was enough to piss off the mob, but you'll still get to have your abortions, especially in California. Nancy has your back don't worry.

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Lenalee said: 
Hawk said: 
Lenalee said: 
LiYang said: 

I've gone back and forth on this issue. Here's my logic at this point. Life starts at conception, the sperm and egg become a developing human life. Therefore killing he/she is homicide under our current laws. Killing a human life.

No additional government laws are needed.

The viability argument is not valid, children are not viable to survive on their own until at least 8 or 10 years old. I mean, just remember back to your first memory. The very first one. I was 3 or 4 years old for mine. Proof the brain is still developing and definitely not able to survive on your own.

So the viability argument would force abortion to be legal up until 8 to 10 years old.

This logic is not based on religion, god or faith of any kind. Just the definition of when life starts and existing laws. 

 Men should be forced to pay child support to full term of the pregnancy, as most pregnant women are unable to work or discriminated against and lose financially because of it. Maybe garnish the sperm donors paycheck for about 50% percent, while the state provides 50% if she can't find work due to her condition. 

Then after birth, the male should be made to pay any medical bills and additional necessities for the child while it is put into adoption.

If the child is not adopted and the male sperm donor refuses to take responsibility for the child then he should be forced to pay 70% in child support for the child and to the woman he impregnated, up to 2 years of age. 

Afterwards he should only be made to pay child support until the child is 18 years of age when the child is finally considered an adult. 

 So if a man impregnates his wife or girlfriend, he should give her half of his income, and the government should match that ?

Heh, heh, heh.

While I think a guy should look after his spouse, I don't see why he should overextend 50% of his income. In some cases 50% is far beyond sufficient.

If they want to make abortion illegal and want to force a woman to carry a baby to full term then the man that impregnated her should pay medical bills and 50% or more of his paycheck in order for the pregnant woman to carry the baby to term and then 70% for at least the first two years of the child's life of said child if the child doesn't get adopted. Children are expensive. Everyone knows that.

 You're assuming that a pregnant woman cant work, and that carrying a baby or raising one is equivalent to a full time job.

Even countries that give benefits for childbirth (like russia) dont go that far.

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I have family in China that make $300/month for the whole family while raising two kids. Screw your American living standards.

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1 votes RE: Abortion is fine actually
Hawk said: 
Lenalee said: 
Hawk said: 
Lenalee said: 
Hawk said: 
Lenalee said: 
LiYang said: 

I've gone back and forth on this issue. Here's my logic at this point. Life starts at conception, the sperm and egg become a developing human life. Therefore killing he/she is homicide under our current laws. Killing a human life.

No additional government laws are needed.

The viability argument is not valid, children are not viable to survive on their own until at least 8 or 10 years old. I mean, just remember back to your first memory. The very first one. I was 3 or 4 years old for mine. Proof the brain is still developing and definitely not able to survive on your own.

So the viability argument would force abortion to be legal up until 8 to 10 years old.

This logic is not based on religion, god or faith of any kind. Just the definition of when life starts and existing laws. 

 Men should be forced to pay child support to full term of the pregnancy, as most pregnant women are unable to work or discriminated against and lose financially because of it. Maybe garnish the sperm donors paycheck for about 50% percent, while the state provides 50% if she can't find work due to her condition. 

Then after birth, the male should be made to pay any medical bills and additional necessities for the child while it is put into adoption.

If the child is not adopted and the male sperm donor refuses to take responsibility for the child then he should be forced to pay 70% in child support for the child and to the woman he impregnated, up to 2 years of age. 

Afterwards he should only be made to pay child support until the child is 18 years of age when the child is finally considered an adult. 

 So if a man impregnates his wife or girlfriend, he should give her half of his income, and the government should match that ?

Heh, heh, heh.

While I think a guy should look after his spouse, I don't see why he should overextend 50% of his income. In some cases 50% is far beyond sufficient.

If they want to make abortion illegal and want to force a woman to carry a baby to full term then the man that impregnated her should pay medical bills and 50% or more of his paycheck in order for the pregnant woman to carry the baby to term and then 70% for at least the first two years of the child's life of said child if the child doesn't get adopted. Children are expensive. Everyone knows that.

Men and women should be able to procreate without all these laws imposing on them.

If a couple doesn't want a child, then they should cut out risky behaviors in sex.

In most cases if a man has to sacrifice 50% of his income, that can destroy his nest unless of course she's going dutch, but it's still less income in the household if she isn't working.

 In that case new laws should be placed where if you're ass is broke, it should be illegal to procreate. Then we'll see less poverty in the future. Otherwise there'll be an issue of soul sucking hoes spawning a dozen kids and carrying them all from child support from multiple partners falling down into poverty.

.

.

.

If you're going to have children. Do it because you want them. And choose your partners wisely, there's much better deals out there.

 So now you want to tell people how to have sex? 

Heh. Yeah doggy style and missionary only.

If 2 people are fucking around and they end up with an unplanned pregnancy, such fools they are. That being said there are better solutions for them, though no one likes to hear about that.

 

If the state and voters decide that a woman has no right to her life then the man that impregnated her should be in some way punished as well. Most women are discriminated against because of pregnancy, no one wants an employee that will take leave in 8 months, and those that are working aren't given sufficient time or money to be taking care of a child's needs. 

Her body will go through a traumatic change and experience meanwhile. The least that irresponsible man can do is help her financially. 

"Soul sucking hoes" 

It is simple Tony, allow them to have an abortion or pay up.

 There are women out there who'll profit from child support. I've seen it countless times over.

One guy I know paid $600 a months for 17 years ( she fucked him over bigly, got his house too ) and the woman was a packrat. When his daughter was older she'd go to him for new iPhones and other shit. By the time she was starting college, the daughter went back to him for money, as there wasn't any saved up from the child support )

Another thing, it really doesn't cost $600 a month to raise a kid.

I'm all for men supporting their families, and looking after the Miss. But not like this.

.

Another thing about abortions. They are legal and you can have them.

Last time there was a stink about abortions, is because activists were arguing how the government should pay for abortions with tax payers dollar.

The row vs, wade decision concluded that each state should be responsible for their own abortion laws. That was enough to piss off the mob, but you'll still get to have your abortions, especially in California. Nancy has your back don't worry.

 I'm not worried about me in my state, i know my state will not ban and criminalize abortions, but the states that do should make it so the man is responsible financially instead of just punishing women for men's irresponsible ejaculation. If a woman is jailed and or fined for an abortion then the man should also be jailed and or fined for it.

It's very easy to simply get your vasectomy as a male and wear a condom

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Hawk said: 

Another thing, it really doesn't cost $600 a month to raise a kid.

 

 Lol it cost ~$320K to put my son through college..

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1 votes RE: Abortion is fine actually
Lenalee said: 
Hawk said: 
Lenalee said: 
LiYang said: 

I've gone back and forth on this issue. Here's my logic at this point. Life starts at conception, the sperm and egg become a developing human life. Therefore killing he/she is homicide under our current laws. Killing a human life.

No additional government laws are needed.

The viability argument is not valid, children are not viable to survive on their own until at least 8 or 10 years old. I mean, just remember back to your first memory. The very first one. I was 3 or 4 years old for mine. Proof the brain is still developing and definitely not able to survive on your own.

So the viability argument would force abortion to be legal up until 8 to 10 years old.

This logic is not based on religion, god or faith of any kind. Just the definition of when life starts and existing laws. 

 Men should be forced to pay child support to full term of the pregnancy, as most pregnant women are unable to work or discriminated against and lose financially because of it. Maybe garnish the sperm donors paycheck for about 50% percent, while the state provides 50% if she can't find work due to her condition. 

Then after birth, the male should be made to pay any medical bills and additional necessities for the child while it is put into adoption.

If the child is not adopted and the male sperm donor refuses to take responsibility for the child then he should be forced to pay 70% in child support for the child and to the woman he impregnated, up to 2 years of age. 

Afterwards he should only be made to pay child support until the child is 18 years of age when the child is finally considered an adult. 

 So if a man impregnates his wife or girlfriend, he should give her half of his income, and the government should match that ?

Heh, heh, heh.

While I think a guy should look after his spouse, I don't see why he should overextend 50% of his income. In some cases 50% is far beyond sufficient.

If they want to make abortion illegal and want to force a woman to carry a baby to full term then the man that impregnated her should pay medical bills and 50% or more of his paycheck in order for the pregnant woman to carry the baby to term and then 70% for at least the first two years of the child's life of said child if the child doesn't get adopted. Children are expensive. Everyone knows that.

 You're assuming that a pregnant woman cant work, and that carrying a baby or raising one is equivalent to a full time job.

Even countries that give benefits for childbirth (like russia) dont go that far.

 Some women have difficult pregnancies and aren't able to work and those that disclose that they are pregnant are often discriminated against. And carrying a baby and raising it is a full time job if you have no support network, those type that shame women for working instead of taking care of the child in a climate where dual income is necessary are also quite loud when they want to feel superior. 

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The US doesn't give much in the way for childbirth benefits.

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I'm just trying to either get my tubes tied or get an anesthesised UID and I can't find a doctor willing to do either for my autistic ass help

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Hawk said: 

Another thing, it really doesn't cost $600 a month to raise a kid.

 

 Lol it cost ~$320K to put my son through college..

 Most people don't go to the most expensive college in the world. They settle for other places they can get into and fall into debt. 

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Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 
Hawk said: 

Pro choice women should get their tubes tied. It's less messy and controversial.

 But it's not on the women, women alone aren't ejaculating sperm reckless into others. Instead Men should get Vasectomies. 

After all, almost all vasectomies are reversible while tubal ligation isn't (tubes tied). 

If you want to stop Abortions you need to be aware that all unwanted pregnancies are caused by men 100% of the time. It's irresponsible men not using condoms that are causing abortions. The focus should not be on the women but rather men. 

I assume you've heard about how the men are currently angling to handle women who'd do out of state abortions? 😒

Bounty hunters? I think Connecticut passed a law that bars summons/subpoenas/compliance from out of state warrants and has extended it to trans healthcare as well 

With Roe vs Wade going out the window they're trying to find ways to get people from other states to be able to be sued for work done on their citizens while they're out of state, as well as allowing private citizens to sue those who'd help transport them out of state in the first place. 

Check on Missouri right now, it's nuts. 

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