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Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

JimRichards said: 

Men cannot understand women. This is a fact. Women are much more complicated brain-wise and personality-wise than men. That is why it is ok for women to write about men but not vice versa. How could you possibly understand what women or black people go through? It's hugely disrespectful.

What? How are women "more complicated brain-wise and personality wise"?

Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

Ok I was reasonably zooted when I wrote this so I can see that the wizard analogy doesn't really hold lol

But I do maintain the essence of my point. As for men not being able to write women properly, a quick glance at that subreddit makes me think it's coz they're getting lost in the palaver of trying to anthropomorphize boobs.

To counter, there are lots of examples of men writing women well. What about Tolstoy or Chuck Palahniuk? Marla Singer is a cult legend, and Anna Karenina is an OG. 

The most exciting bits of both of those stories was when they ended.

Full disclosure, I've never read Anna Karenina lol. But it is regarded as one of the best novels of all time...

I think it also depends on the context of the character. As a white dude, I'd have a hard time writing about a black woman going to a desegregated school in the 70's, but I reckon I could write her as some kinda space bounty hunter with minimal issue. 

 Again you're placing the setting in something that does not exist so there would be no wrong way to write a black female space bounty hunter. Your original complaint was about writing on a young African girl by a white man. Young African girls do exist. The real people being written about will have readers wanting to delve deeper within that character and because they are people that lived that black experience a white man could never be able to replicate. White people tend to liken other people's culture like a coat they can take on and off. They'll wear it for the fit but it's essentially a costume they can parade around in and take it off whenever they want.

Deduct the space theme then. My point is that if I wrote about a black woman's experience of racial injustice (or childbirth, as another example of a poorly chosen subject), I'd definitely do it badly. But there's lots of examples of people writing a generic "person" character interacting with a set of circumstances where it doesn't really matter if they're male/female/white/poc. 

Yes you could write about the circumstances but you will never write about the lived experiences because you wouldn't be able to understand it fully. No one is stopping you from writing it, it's just going to be a lot of "writing from the window" sort of thing. 

Ripley from Alien was originally written as a male character, and they switched it to female last minute with minimal script editing. No one notices.. Equally, you could arbitrarily change Harry Potter to Asian or Latino and it wouldn't make any difference.

You think an Asian or Latino Harry Potter wouldn't have been different? wew

 

 How would it have been different? I honestly thought Harry Potter was Asian before the movies came out, coz of the black hair and glasses thing (which I can concede might be racist in retrospect, but in my defense I was a kid lol)

JimRichards said: 

Outro said: 

What? How are women "more complicated brain-wise and personality wise"?

Men don't really have a personality, They're empty and emotionally bankrupt. It's incredibly easy to write about men, but it's quite offensive and downright ridiculous to think that men can write about women without experiencing the pain and depth of the female experience. cf. above response to TC.

If you think you can write about women, then write 2 paragraphs on childbirth here and now as a man. We'll have one of the women here evaluate how accurate your description is. Then tell me it's not cultural appropriation.

I'm guessing you're trolling at this point lmao

As for the writing, I was using the royal "I", so to speak. I'm not actually a writer and have zero intention of writing a short story about the childbirthing experiences of black women. 

Blanc said: 

What’s your opinion on cancel culture as a whole I mean lots of people have spoken about it but figured I’d expound this tangent 

I think people are unnecessarily chimping out over the concept of "cancel culture". It's not a new thing, it's literally always existed. Ostracism and pack mentality aren't new.

I think people feel like it's noteworthy because the internet makes it quicker and broader-reaching, but telling a poorly received, offensive joke in a workplace 100 years ago would have produced the same result. 

The other thing that's different is the things people find offensive. I'm guessing that 100 years ago, people would have been offended by the idea that black people and women had agency, and now people are offended by very different things.

Honestly, if you find something funny, laugh at it. Who gives a fuck what the pack thinks? I'm not taking "retarded" out of my vocabulary out of some misguided deference to PC culture. It's my favorite adjective, and if people don't like it, I don't care.

TL;DR Cancel culture has always existed, the reasons for getting cancelled have changed, and the internet gives everyone a soapbox. 

Outro said: 

Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

JimRichards said: 

Men cannot understand women. This is a fact. Women are much more complicated brain-wise and personality-wise than men. That is why it is ok for women to write about men but not vice versa. How could you possibly understand what women or black people go through? It's hugely disrespectful.

What? How are women "more complicated brain-wise and personality wise"?

Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

Ok I was reasonably zooted when I wrote this so I can see that the wizard analogy doesn't really hold lol

But I do maintain the essence of my point. As for men not being able to write women properly, a quick glance at that subreddit makes me think it's coz they're getting lost in the palaver of trying to anthropomorphize boobs.

To counter, there are lots of examples of men writing women well. What about Tolstoy or Chuck Palahniuk? Marla Singer is a cult legend, and Anna Karenina is an OG. 

The most exciting bits of both of those stories was when they ended.

Full disclosure, I've never read Anna Karenina lol. But it is regarded as one of the best novels of all time...

I think it also depends on the context of the character. As a white dude, I'd have a hard time writing about a black woman going to a desegregated school in the 70's, but I reckon I could write her as some kinda space bounty hunter with minimal issue. 

 Again you're placing the setting in something that does not exist so there would be no wrong way to write a black female space bounty hunter. Your original complaint was about writing on a young African girl by a white man. Young African girls do exist. The real people being written about will have readers wanting to delve deeper within that character and because they are people that lived that black experience a white man could never be able to replicate. White people tend to liken other people's culture like a coat they can take on and off. They'll wear it for the fit but it's essentially a costume they can parade around in and take it off whenever they want.

Deduct the space theme then. My point is that if I wrote about a black woman's experience of racial injustice (or childbirth, as another example of a poorly chosen subject), I'd definitely do it badly. But there's lots of examples of people writing a generic "person" character interacting with a set of circumstances where it doesn't really matter if they're male/female/white/poc. 

Yes you could write about the circumstances but you will never write about the lived experiences because you wouldn't be able to understand it fully. No one is stopping you from writing it, it's just going to be a lot of "writing from the window" sort of thing. 

Ripley from Alien was originally written as a male character, and they switched it to female last minute with minimal script editing. No one notices.. Equally, you could arbitrarily change Harry Potter to Asian or Latino and it wouldn't make any difference.

You think an Asian or Latino Harry Potter wouldn't have been different? wew

 

 How would it have been different? I honestly thought Harry Potter was Asian before the movies came out, coz of the black hair and glasses thing (which I can concede might be racist in retrospect, but in my defense I was a kid lol)

 Idk about you but reading the books clearly indicates that he's a lil white kid. Having experienced a Latino household and then a Caucasian household the experiences were vastly different. Latinos have a more involved parenting style with discipline. My parents never deprived me of food as a form of punishment, like they weren't particular good parents but they gave me a shelter, food and unnecessary beatings while the old white hag, may her soul be in internal torment if she's dead, would take meals away as punishment and straight up take comfort items away knowing that we were already experiencing a traumatic separation. White people be entitled as fuck and will not let you forget that you are different. Their own parenting style lacks discipline and at times is straight up neglectful believing that everyone else should put up with their child.

Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

 How would it have been different? I honestly thought Harry Potter was Asian before the movies came out, coz of the black hair and glasses thing (which I can concede might be racist in retrospect, but in my defense I was a kid lol)

 Idk about you but reading the books clearly indicates that he's a lil white kid. Having experienced a Latino household and then a Caucasian household the experiences were vastly different. Latinos have a more involved parenting style with discipline. My parents never deprived me of food as a form of punishment, like they weren't particular good parents but they gave me a shelter, food and unnecessary beatings while the old white hag, may her soul be in internal torment if she's dead, would take meals away as punishment and straight up take comfort items away knowing that we were already experiencing a traumatic separation. White people be entitled as fuck and will not let you forget that you are different. Their own parenting style lacks discipline and at times is straight up neglectful believing that everyone else should put up with their child.

Aren't you kind of projecting one experience of a white household onto all white households? Isn't that the same as me saying (theoretically) that I lived with my Guatemalan friend for 6 months and found his parents super abusive, and then inferring that all Latino households are abusive? 

"White" is a crazy umbrella term in lots of ways, in the sense that it includes Irish-Americans, English-Italians, Ukranian-Canadians, South-African-Australians, Russian-Swiss etc etc etc. White is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities, just as Latino is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities. 

White, Latino, Black, Asian etc etc are fundamentally useless terms. The Sudanese alone have something like 300 distinct ethic identities, and yet we lump them all as black African for ease of classification. 

This is my point with exaggerating racial lines, it's often vastly uneducated. Lumping people into like 5 major categories completely misses the point.

Outro said: 

I'm guessing you're trolling at this point lmao

And I'm guessing you're a white male. That's such a privileged white male thing to say.

As for the writing, I was using the royal "I", so to speak. I'm not actually a writer and have zero intention of writing a short story about the childbirthing experiences of black women. 

q.e.d.

I rest my case. If you're not willing to prove your point, then all you're saying might as well be farting in the wind. The moment you need to present something concrete you back off. Figures.

Outro said: 

Aren't you kind of projecting one experience of a white household onto all white households? Isn't that the same as me saying (theoretically) that I lived with my Guatemalan friend for 6 months and found his parents super abusive, and then inferring that all Latino households are abusive? 

She's really not though. It's true that white men especially are lax with their children, whereas black men are fatherly and always take care of and provide for their offspring, and stick around to raise their kids.

Latina women are the most loving parents of all. Have you ever been to a white household? It's a fucking mess. The children throw toys around and the parents just tolerate it and expect others to as well. That is white culture born from privilege and they expect the world to bend over backwards for them.

"White" is a crazy umbrella term in lots of ways, in the sense that it includes Irish-Americans, English-Italians, Ukranian-Canadians, South-African-Australians, Russian-Swiss etc etc etc. White is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities, just as Latino is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities. 

White, Latino, Black, Asian etc etc are fundamentally useless terms. The Sudanese alone have something like 300 distinct ethic identities, and yet we lump them all as black African for ease of classification. 

This is my point with exaggerating racial lines, it's often vastly uneducated. Lumping people into like 5 major categories completely misses the point.

Except whites are privileged and the other races are not. Have you ever heard of white people being colonialised, being made slaves and have their undeserved privileges be taken away from them? No. Again you give no concrete examples. You're basically a privileged white dude who thinks it's ok to make fun of colored people and women, permeating the racist notions and privilege that exists in all societies around the globe, be it white or black or asian. Frankly you're so confused that it's like you're from a different planet altogether. I've never met anyone this confused.

You're like arguing that it doesn't matter if we classify people as human or not because somewhere down the line it wasn't entirely clear if people were homo sapien or apes yet. Categories exist for a reason. All white people are frankly the same entitled people. There is barely any difference between those ethnic identities that you just spouted.

Outro said: 

Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

 How would it have been different? I honestly thought Harry Potter was Asian before the movies came out, coz of the black hair and glasses thing (which I can concede might be racist in retrospect, but in my defense I was a kid lol)

 Idk about you but reading the books clearly indicates that he's a lil white kid. Having experienced a Latino household and then a Caucasian household the experiences were vastly different. Latinos have a more involved parenting style with discipline. My parents never deprived me of food as a form of punishment, like they weren't particular good parents but they gave me a shelter, food and unnecessary beatings while the old white hag, may her soul be in internal torment if she's dead, would take meals away as punishment and straight up take comfort items away knowing that we were already experiencing a traumatic separation. White people be entitled as fuck and will not let you forget that you are different. Their own parenting style lacks discipline and at times is straight up neglectful believing that everyone else should put up with their child.

Aren't you kind of projecting one experience of a white household onto all white households? Isn't that the same as me saying (theoretically) that I lived with my Guatemalan friend for 6 months and found his parents super abusive, and then inferring that all Latino households are abusive? 

Latino households are super abusive what are you going on about? I literally said i was given unnecessary beatings. When grouped together with other latino children our experience was very similar in that most, if not all Latino parents see their children as property and the only way to discipline them is through verbal, emotional and physical abuse. I'm just describing the difference in abuse where one would prefer to be heavily involved and the other would be like "you don't deserve to eat get out of my sight."

"White" is a crazy umbrella term in lots of ways, in the sense that it includes Irish-Americans, English-Italians, Ukranian-Canadians, South-African-Australians, Russian-Swiss etc etc etc. White is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities, just as Latino is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities. 

White, Latino, Black, Asian etc etc are fundamentally useless terms. The Sudanese alone have something like 300 distinct ethic identities, and yet we lump them all as black African for ease of classification. 

This is my point with exaggerating racial lines, it's often vastly uneducated. Lumping people into like 5 major categories completely misses the point.

 It doesn't, not really because people won't care if you're south African white, they'll see you're white and everything else comes after. You've been classified and grouped by the color of your skin. Every person of color has experienced this at least once or twice where doesn't particularly matter where exactly you're from because your skin color and facial features have already been looked at and categorized.  White Supremacy in Africa may have been snuffed out as a movement but it is still deeply racist with white people being in control with something like 67% of farmland while black people are denied as much even after apartheid ended.

White is a crazy umbrella term but white is what has set rules and standards and fights desperately to to stay on top and relevant to the point of discarding any other view even when they are not being openly racist. You keep trying to take this to detail unnecessary descriptors to feel right. I'm just saying that if you dont have the lived experience of a culture from having grown up and raised in it that it's impossible for you to accurately describe and resonate with others, and that goes double for writing as the opposite gender. 

Outro said: 

For example, I read a criticism of a book because it told the story of a young African girl and was written by a white man. 

 If the writer himself hired someone to criticize him on that basis, he'd be a genius.

Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

Lenalee said: 

Outro said: 

 How would it have been different? I honestly thought Harry Potter was Asian before the movies came out, coz of the black hair and glasses thing (which I can concede might be racist in retrospect, but in my defense I was a kid lol)

 Idk about you but reading the books clearly indicates that he's a lil white kid. Having experienced a Latino household and then a Caucasian household the experiences were vastly different. Latinos have a more involved parenting style with discipline. My parents never deprived me of food as a form of punishment, like they weren't particular good parents but they gave me a shelter, food and unnecessary beatings while the old white hag, may her soul be in internal torment if she's dead, would take meals away as punishment and straight up take comfort items away knowing that we were already experiencing a traumatic separation. White people be entitled as fuck and will not let you forget that you are different. Their own parenting style lacks discipline and at times is straight up neglectful believing that everyone else should put up with their child.

Aren't you kind of projecting one experience of a white household onto all white households? Isn't that the same as me saying (theoretically) that I lived with my Guatemalan friend for 6 months and found his parents super abusive, and then inferring that all Latino households are abusive? 

Latino households are super abusive what are you going on about? I literally said i was given unnecessary beatings. When grouped together with other latino children our experience was very similar in that most, if not all Latino parents see their children as property and the only way to discipline them is through verbal, emotional and physical abuse. I'm just describing the difference in abuse where one would prefer to be heavily involved and the other would be like "you don't deserve to eat get out of my sight."

I wouldn't want to generalize that all latino households are abusive. You're Latina, I'm guessing, so that's your prerogative, not mine. 

"White" is a crazy umbrella term in lots of ways, in the sense that it includes Irish-Americans, English-Italians, Ukranian-Canadians, South-African-Australians, Russian-Swiss etc etc etc. White is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities, just as Latino is an umbrella term for thousands of ethnic identities. 

White, Latino, Black, Asian etc etc are fundamentally useless terms. The Sudanese alone have something like 300 distinct ethic identities, and yet we lump them all as black African for ease of classification. 

This is my point with exaggerating racial lines, it's often vastly uneducated. Lumping people into like 5 major categories completely misses the point.

 It doesn't, not really because people won't care if you're south African white, they'll see you're white and everything else comes after. You've been classified and grouped by the color of your skin. Every person of color has experienced this at least once or twice where doesn't particularly matter where exactly you're from because your skin color and facial features have already been looked at and categorized.  White Supremacy in Africa may have been snuffed out as a movement but it is still deeply racist with white people being in control with something like 67% of farmland while black people are denied as much even after apartheid ended.

White is a crazy umbrella term but white is what has set rules and standards and fights desperately to to stay on top and relevant to the point of discarding any other view even when they are not being openly racist. You keep trying to take this to detail unnecessary descriptors to feel right. I'm just saying that if you dont have the lived experience of a culture from having grown up and raised in it that it's impossible for you to accurately describe and resonate with others, and that goes double for writing as the opposite gender. 

Yeah, I think we might be arguing a semantic point rather than a principled point. I don't doubt or deny that there are structures of systemic racism that benefit white people, regardless of white ethnic identity.

I don't have the lived experience of a black person, or a Latino person. But I equally don't have the lived experience of an Irish person, or a Russian person. Why does it only become a matter of cultural appropriation if I write about the lived experience of someone with a different level of melanin? 

Sure, I know what it's like to share white skin, but that doesn't seem to be your point. You're arguing that I can't describe or resonate with a particular culture. And you could argue that I understand Mexican-American culture better than I understand Norwegian culture, given that I'm American and have never been to any Scandinavian country. 

I don't believe in White privilege, nor does racism toward coloured people give an entire ethnicity an edge over another.

The term white privilege is used by the resentful, and those who want to take a vigilant stance against whites.

Those who complain about white privilege are programmed by the left. 

In 2015 Trump announced he's running for President, and the DNC had to do something, so they started implementing divide and conquer tactics via mainstream media, then blame Trump.

Before 2015 the masses never heard of white privilege.

In the US ( the source of this nonsense ) 70% of the population are white.

The dumbest people you'll find in the Americas are white, same with the poorest and most unfortunate. White.

Race quotas are racist. This means taking less of the 70% and more of the 30% as if the 30% is bound to contain more qualified candidates for any task.

White people are not getting into schools, because they are being separated from the rest to fulfill liberal ideas, which is the race quota.

That is not a privilege. Whites being ashamed of being white and bending backwards for other races ? This would be an insult if they weren't so schupid, but there's plenty of that going on right now.

Most BLM protestors ARE white. We see this AT. The protests, while the black BLM protest feels like a victim.

The greatest threat to the American black man, is the black man.

Whites in this day and age cannot say nigger. And increasingly so the more they have to lose. I can say it cause I'm coloured and been called a nigger. Rich and famous black people can say it. But under no circumstance can a white say it without the threat of getting cancelled by the left wing program.

It is also believed that only whites can be racist, but the most racist people we see today, are coloured people.

In 100 years, our time will be looked at as unfortunate times by future generations, IF, the masses wisen up, or rather, they stop filling the airwaves with garbage.

I'm a communist. But not right now, Democracy is of service to me these days, but the day I'm back in the hands of a conservative government, I'm not interested in opposing votes and opinions because the left is utterly obtuse.