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Lenalee said: 

Was it a lifelong family religion thing? 

Did you seek him out? 

What has changed since "finding God"? 

If it was revealed that God and Satan aren't real, would that devastate you or would you still be the same? 

Definitely don't believe in a God, but I'd still call myself agnostic because atheism is equally unscientific imo.

That said, my only experience with organized religion is that it's used by mediocre people to justify shitty, inane beliefs. I've got no respect for it. 

If God and Satan were real, I wouldn't change tack at all. The Abrahamic God, if he exists, is a fucken nutjob. 

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No, i do not believe.

When I was 12 or so and got the internet I got into the occult. I remember being very afraid of the christian god etc at that time. My father was protestant my mother catholic. It was just a social thing and not even that, no one took it seriously. Howeber, I developed some faith when I was younger and I remember praying in my early adolescence or childhood. I got more and more interested in the occult which at the same time also frightened me. I remember lieing awake at night not being able to sleep out of fear of the rituals or exercises I had done or read about. I also had one very frightening dream that I still remember vividly. It was about only a cross saving me from demonic possession. I ignored the dream, because the calling to turn inward and look at my own mind etc was too strong. So I started developing my occult powers and found a living teacher who was kind enough to teach me magick. Now i would not say I am doing western magic anymore, which i find very deluded for reasons I dont want to explain further. I am still very spiritual and I dont want to write more about it here. There may be a being who thinks it is god, but it did not create the world or earth. No being has that power. I do believe in gods and spirits though. And in different realms. 

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Lenalee said: 

Was it a lifelong family religion thing? 

I was born into Catholicism. Prayed 3 times a day.

In my early 20's I've moved away from the religious practices cause a lot of what they do goes against God's wishes.

Did you seek him out? 

What has changed since "finding God"? 

For a time I moved away from God and even then I thought about God every single day. 

I did seek out God and it's as they say, when you seek out God you find God.

Nothing changed. I think. I still dislike religion, even Christ criticized the church. He isn't impressed with the Vatican for being so rich while they could put their money to better use.

Personally I think God favors those who pull away and come back, as opposed to people who don't even question his existence. Those types strike me as brainwashed yes men as far as religion is concerned. Kinda like type of pretentious agnosticism who can't even begin to express their personal thoughts on the matter. I do think religion has been intentionally perverted to make the religious seem obtuse to the atheist.

If it was revealed that God and Satan aren't real, would that devastate you or would you still be the same? 

First I'll say, what source would possibly reveal that ?

Secondly, I'd probably be devastated, but not based on faith you see. It would be more like a sense of self betrayal.I wrote about it a few times already but I saw something protect me from a vile beast from a meditation exercise.

I'd also remain the same. God isn't the only one who finds certain behavior despicable. 

When it comes to God and Satan, it's something I know to be true as opposed to blindly going forward. Of course I cannot prove things I've seen or experienced either. I don't believe in attempting to save others or alter their beliefs either, I wouldn't respect someone turning to God on hearsay alone. It's something they have to do on their own.

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I find when threads like this are made, the atheist likes to especially use curse words as if they always drop f bombs in their posts. But nay. Then the theists will Bible thump, which is utterly ineffective for what they hope to achieve. Neither of you are impressive in my personal opinion.

Time and time again I say it's wiser to be agnostic than atheist. Regardless of what one believes, Christ's teachings are sustainable and even more so in the event of everlasting life. Even in the temporary life, that is this one, Christ's way is the way of productivity and good mental health. That alone deserves respect.

Friedrich said: 

No, i do not believe.

 

When I was 12 or so and got the internet I got into the occult. I remember being very afraid of the christian god etc at that time. My father was protestant my mother catholic. It was just a social thing and not even that, no one took it seriously. Howeber, I developed some faith when I was younger and I remember praying in my early adolescence or childhood. I got more and more interested in the occult which at the same time also frightened me. I remember lieing awake at night not being able to sleep out of fear of the rituals or exercises I had done or read about. I also had one very frightening dream that I still remember vividly. It was about only a cross saving me from demonic possession. I ignored the dream, because the calling to turn inward and look at my own mind etc was too strong. So I started developing my occult powers and found a living teacher who was kind enough to teach me magick. Now i would not say I am doing western magic anymore, which i find very deluded for reasons I dont want to explain further. I am still very spiritual and I dont want to write more about it here. There may be a being who thinks it is god, but it did not create the world or earth. No being has that power. I do believe in gods and spirits though. And in different realms. 

 Have you been to SC many years ago when it was run by Luna ?

There was a German guy, forgot what he called himself but he was like you. He gave me a digital book on hermetics.

As for the Earth. I think nature in itself is the mark of intelligence, as everything benefits from something else harmoniously. 

Water falls from the sky, the plants, the various creatures which can go extinct and the food chain. The gas we breath is conveniently invisible so the light can pass through it. Our eye's exist for the light as our ears exist for sound. These are connected dots. How vegetation reproduces within itself is purposeful, as is the hand and every part of the body, for every creature.

The Earth's distances as it orbits the Sun allows H2O to be solid liquid and gas.

Given the size and distance of our moon, it eclipses the Sun perfectly. For something as big as the Sun and small as the moon to do that from our point of view. It's very disturbing on top of other things we take for granted. 

DNA is codded and following a protocol like software. 3D physical software we've yet to do or make anything as advanced as a fruit fly. Then we're to believe we've been outdone by the inanimate. DNA has replicators and other robotic instruments going on with it, all following instructions on what to build. That shit is made.

Isn't it amazing how nothing is trurly synthetic ? Even plastic ? The fact these chemicals and other materials are even here so we can build functioning technologies is yet another thing we take for granted. But here we are pulling cars and other goods out of the dirt.

When asked I'd say there's genius at play here. For all of this to happen on a speck of dust in the vastness of space by accident is utterly obsurd. 

For what you're into Friedrich, you can believe in God's and demons and magic, but the concept of the highest doesn't seem realistic, that's interesting.

I did seek out God and it's as they say, when you seek out God you find God.

He doesn't show up for everybody. 

Personally I think God favors those who pull away and come back, as opposed to people who don't even question his existence.

 Try telling that to Ecclesiastes. 

I do think religion has been intentionally perverted to make the religious seem obtuse to the atheist.

Orrrr there's legitimate problems with the material. I don't think you could just shift the words around a little to make it suddenly more palatable to the ear for the sorts who find objections. 

It seriously takes learning the material during one's formative years to find themselves trapped in this sort of rhetoric. It's especially tragic when you see those who need to leave but can't. 

First I'll say, what source would possibly reveal that ?

The afterlife of a different religion perhaps? 

I find when threads like this are made, the atheist likes to especially use curse words as if they always drop f bombs in their posts. But nay. Then the theists will Bible thump, which is utterly ineffective for what they hope to achieve. Neither of you are impressive in my personal opinion.

It's a good thing I'm Bible Thumping as an Atheist then. 😛

Time and time again I say it's wiser to be agnostic than atheist.

More often than not the agnostic has studied none of the material, while at least the atheist has often read enough of their cultural theisms to try to critique them. 

It takes having a strong position rather than a wishy-washy one if one's to really care, one way or the other. 

Spatial Mind said:

 Have you been to SC many years ago when it was run by Luna ?

There was a German guy, forgot what he called himself but he was like you. He gave me a digital book on hermetics.

Haha crazy you remember that. If you remember my nickname, keep it to yourself. 

Patriarchal monotheism is a cultural adaptation to a harsh desert climate, where people had to be cruel and ready to fight in order to survive. Raiding (terrorizing neighbouring communities and stealing their stuff) was the norm in the time and place that the bible was written.

I'm not a fan of old Xtian codes of conduct. They are stifling when ppl try to apply them to modern life.

However, Xtianity is so huge that it's taken on a life of its own. I simultaneously believe that at least half of it is absurd, all the while allowing it to dictate 75% of my behaviour and my interactions every day. It's in all of our laws and everything that we do, so I have to pay lip service to it when I need stuff, and some gatekeeper wants to test my manners first.

I'm open minded, but I have a difficult time forcing feelings of reverence, duty, or love for any creature who behaves like a demanding, narcissistic man baby, and then claims to be omnipotent.

Whether this god is real or not is just a red herring when we examine the disastrously flawed ethical codes that millenia of rewrites by spoiled child king after torturing narcissistic warlord after drunken monk scribe have tried to force on all around them through their bible, their so-called "word of god." If there ever was any truth to it, it's become nothing more than the echo chamber of a bunch of right leaning politicos who profit from war and collect yachts for a hobby.

We make our gods in our own image, not the other way around. I would not allow a demanding, misogynistic, personality disordered individual to have any power over my life. Like never. I would maim him first.

So why the fuck would I bow to some unprovable entity in the sky who behaves like this? And the only proof I have of anything he says comes from rich assholes who want to pitch their snake oil to me?

And yeah. I've read the bible cover to cover, several times.

The idea of a more neutral guiding energy, a sentient force that moves with the galaxies, without the political agenda is a little more palatable, if unprovable at the present time.

For this reason I call myself an agnostic.

However, I am far from wishy washy  :P