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Do you believe in God Almighty?


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Was it a lifelong family religion thing? 

Did you seek him out? 

What has changed since "finding God"? 

If it was revealed that God and Satan aren't real, would that devastate you or would you still be the same? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What the fuck is up with the christian movies like Gods not Dead saga?

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 I do believe in God !

Lenalee said: 

Was it a lifelong family religion thing? 

Well... my mom is Catholic and my dad is Agnostic. I'm a protestant... I consider Catholics unsaved and veering too much away from the bible. There was a point where I was a Satanist before becoming a Christian (not just to rebel I feel like since I never told my mom). 

Did you seek him out? 

Yes I sought God out in prayers a lot. 

What has changed since "finding God"? 

Well... I've been less debilitatingly depressed, broke up with Tryp, and feel more inclined to go out of my way to help people. 

If it was revealed that God and Satan aren't real, would that devastate you or would you still be the same? 

Actually yes... in some way. Because it means that there is no justice on victims when the perpetrators "got away with their evil" in this life. 

Christianity makes sense to me because it combines mercy and justice.

Anyone can receive mercy if they ACTUALLY REPENT from their evil. It must be genuine repentance not just a fear of hell or some tears. The mercy part is that there is actually a chance to repent AT ALL. 

Hebrews 12:17 For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

Hebrews 3:15 As it is said, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

God doesn't just decided to flood the earth all over again because He is merciful. Even after every time we fail to be decent human beings. There must be a balance between mercy and justice for flawed humans to reach heaven while still not enabling evil. 

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Though I would understand if God was different than imagined or even if it wasn't exactly the Christian one. I would just need one that is able to balance MERCY and JUSTICE. That's the issue that needs to be dealt with most of all.

What the fuck is up with the christian movies like Gods not Dead saga?

 Idk lol... they act like atheists are all evil... It's cringe. I prefer movies or shows with a Christian basis like Narnia. 

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Lenalee said: 

Do you believe in God Almighty?

Not really, but the examples left in the texts people use can get pretty fucking weird, and roughly the same damages would be going on IRL anyway over how he was authored. For someone/something people follow as a life path it's pretty damn poorly written relatively speaking, and if it turns out to be the case then reality itself's pretty poorly authored. 

The way He's presented also is a little too all powerful for me to believe it, and the way the texts go too far demonizing His enemies has me see it as blatant bias. I can't not read the texts and end up feeling bad for the victims people call 'Evil', sort of like how I keep feeling bad for Jafar in Aladdin. 

Even at like age three I was doodling sympathy for the villain comics, and this focus on 'the bad guys' origins, how they got to that point, typically makes them seem more human and believable to me than the typical hero character, whether because the hero was some sort of Buggs Bunny/Woody Woodpecker levels of evil that the plot tells us is good or Blandy Mc'Blanderson as to not offend their target audience or to grant a blank enough subject for the reader to project themselves onto ala Bella Swan. 

Was it a lifelong family religion thing? 

Just one generation, but it's felt nice to have both of my folks on similar pages about how insane it can get. 

My father's more of a self-professed Sun Worshipper, with a wry grin whenever someone walks up to him to start the conversation that stems from his childhood experience with religion and his time spent studying it. My mother's background with it meanwhile was a bit more absent within the family, but this didn't stop her from asking questions from enough of her peers being Christian during a time where the lifestyle of it in the US was a bit more status quo. 

Did you seek him out? 

I'd given it a try a few times after debating with quite a few people, but each time spent reading up on the material more so put me off the idea of ever following someone/something like that. 

I just can't stop having the 'love' as they'd call it extend towards those God's turned His back on, which is the vast majority of humanity if the texts are to be believed. I see tons of victims in their stories that they seem to have no problem shitting on as if they deserved it, such as Job's wife being cast down for trying to help Job see reason. 

If it was revealed that God and Satan aren't real, would that devastate you or would you still be the same? 

I'd be significantly more motivated and full of chutzpah to do something about this situation if I could no longer deny their existence, but Christianity reeks too much of it's human needs from history for me to handle it as anything but 'convenient' for those utilizing it as a means of control. 

Religions that show deities as capable of making mistakes or being selfish without sugarcoating it, ones based on Earthly values and balance without dissociation from the here-and-now, seem much more plausible and realistic to me by comparison, but considering the country I live in I'm more often then not stuck dealing with either Christians or people who are one generation away from one with a chip on their shoulders over it. 

I tend to handle it as lore no differently than I might read from Dungeons and Dragons, it's fun to perspective take and look at the ramifications of it if it were to be real but I don't otherwise believe in it come the end of the day in spite of the room to debate as if it were. 

What the fuck is up with the christian movies like Gods not Dead saga?

I question their shows and songs too, it's pretty out there stuff. 

A lot of their material's hot garbage, and I love using websites like Everything Is Terrible to seek it out. A lot of people from sheer insulation end up sucked into this stuff as if it were anything but, even modeling off of it when making their own material. 






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Addams Family gets it. 

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Fae- 

What was it that snapped you out of Satanism(?) And into Christianity? Do you see yourself as fanatical or coming off that way at times? How do you feel about those that use your religion as a way to be superior to others?

I don't understand the gods not dead film when it gets combined with the american stance on ownership of guns. It's weird it's cringe and i wished they'd stop(but also don't stop it's a train wreck and my popcorn is almost popped)

 

TC- 

So is Satan both the bad guy towards God and the good guy towards humanity through wanting to give us the knowledge of good and evil/bad/choice? 

How do you see Jafar as the dude done wrong? He was actively getting homeless people down on their luck arrested and then killed by a sand tiger..?

 

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Lenalee said: 

TC- 

So is Satan both the bad guy towards God and the good guy towards humanity through wanting to give us the knowledge of good and evil/bad/choice? 

I'd say it's more of a battle of Law vs Chaos rather than Good vs Evil. 

How do you see Jafar as the dude done wrong? He was actively getting homeless people down on their luck arrested and then killed by a sand tiger..?

After following that Sultan for that long he saw it as the only way to ascend his position as the advisor of a fool. Imagine all the time wasted and extra steps needing to be taken to work around him, it's got to be frustrating. 

Picking homeless people down on their luck makes more sense than any other demographic, and he already knew he couldn't go in there so what else would you suggest he do? 

We also need to take into account how many of his decisions as the film went on were suggestions from Iago, a nod to Othello that further suggests that Jafar may have become reduced to this overtime from his circumstances and environment. It's only as Aladdin began meddling that he became more desperate with his wishes and decisions, all the while becoming increasingly unbalanced from being so close to what he'd been dreaming of while so much is going wrong. 

By comparison Aladdin's a thief with no remorse over it who cheated the system to get 'the girl', all the while perpetuating a system that, without Jafar's advisement, would likely fall apart. Seriously, look at The Sultan and try to tell me he deserves to be in charge. 

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Lenalee said: 

Fae- 

What was it that snapped you out of Satanism(?) And into Christianity?

Well it was seeing the evil of people around me.  When I was younger and a Satanist I was sort of a sociopath. Then one day a “grew empathy” for one friend. I loved her unlike everyone else I was friends with who I just saw as extensions of myself… (she’s the same friend who was later murdered btw). 

She was the kindest person I met and was secretly fighting depression. But, people would tell her to kill herself… that’s when I realized the world is evil. So evil that people were telling this sweet depressed girl to kill herself. I even realized that to expect people to treat her well then I must treat others better to not be a hypocrite.

That’s how I realized I was a sinner and the world was full of sinners. That we need a balance of justice and mercy to move forward. 

This is when I started praying, reading the bible and doing research. Eventually God answered me and confirmed for me there is a judgment. 

 

Do you see yourself as fanatical or coming off that way at times?

Well if fanatical means really devotee then yes. I’m just not the type to go bomb and abortion clinic, or kick out a gay child, or tell people God hates them.

 

How do you feel about those that use your religion as a way to be superior to others?

I feel like they misunderstood the gospel. The gospel doesn’t say “I’m better”. The gospel says “I’m a sinner and I need mercy and to repent (even if it’s a process of growth)”.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

I think people are too prideful that others “sin differently“. Christ tried to explain this hypocrisy when he said to hate someone is to commit murder in the heart. Because the Pharisees would say “we obey the commands, we don’t kill anyone”. Christ knew their heart and knew they hated people wishing them ill will. Over and over again He rebuked the self righteous.

 

I don't understand the gods not dead film when it gets combined with the american stance on ownership of guns. It's weird it's cringe and i wished they'd stop(but also don't stop it's a train wreck and my popcorn is almost popped)

Oh lol~ I guess that’s more in the states. I think Canada is a good example for gun control. We seem to be doing okay ~

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Lenalee said: 

TC- 

So is Satan both the bad guy towards God and the good guy towards humanity through wanting to give us the knowledge of good and evil/bad/choice? 

I'd say it's more of a battle of Law vs Chaos rather than Good vs Evil. 

How do you see Jafar as the dude done wrong? He was actively getting homeless people down on their luck arrested and then killed by a sand tiger..?

After following that Sultan for that long he saw it as the only way to ascend his position as the advisor of a fool. Imagine all the time wasted and extra steps needing to be taken to work around him, it's got to be frustrating. 

Picking homeless people down on their luck makes more sense than any other demographic, and he already knew he couldn't go in there so what else would you suggest he do? 

We also need to take into account how many of his decisions as the film went on were suggestions from Iago, a nod to Othello that further suggests that Jafar may have become reduced to this overtime from his circumstances and environment. It's only as Aladdin began meddling that he became more desperate with his wishes and decisions, all the while becoming increasingly unbalanced from being so close to what he'd been dreaming of while so much is going wrong. 

By comparison Aladdin's a thief with no remorse over it who cheated the system to get 'the girl', all the while perpetuating a system that, without Jafar's advisement, would likely fall apart. Seriously, look at The Sultan and try to tell me he deserves to be in charge. 

 I'm looking at both the sultan and Jafar and have come to the conclusion that both oughtn't be in power. One can't care enough what happens beyond the walls of the palace to the point where there are children starving and forcing others to steal in order to survive and the other looks down on those without power, takes advantage of them, whose first decisions as the one with the genie is to enslave the female, clown the sultan and vanish Aladdin to (i don't remember where, actually).

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Lenalee said: 

Fae- 

What was it that snapped you out of Satanism(?) And into Christianity?

Well it was seeing the evil of people around me.  When I was younger and a Satanist I was sort of a sociopath. Then one day a “grew empathy” for one friend. I loved her unlike everyone else I was friends with who I just saw as extensions of myself… (she’s the same friend who was later murdered btw). 

She was the kindest person I met and was secretly fighting depression. But, people would tell her to kill herself… that’s when I realized the world is evil. So evil that people were telling this sweet depressed girl to kill herself. I even realized that to expect people to treat her well then I must treat others better to not be a hypocrite.

That’s how I realized I was a sinner and the world was full of sinners. That we need a balance of justice and mercy to move forward. 

This is when I started praying, reading the bible and doing research. Eventually God answered me and confirmed for me there is a judgment. 

Ah, i see i see. So results in a way led to belief.

Do you see yourself as fanatical or coming off that way at times?

Well if fanatical means really devotee then yes. I’m just not the type to go bomb and abortion clinic, or kick out a gay child, or tell people God hates them.

How do you feel about those that use your religion as a way to be superior to others?

I feel like they misunderstood the gospel. The gospel doesn’t say “I’m better”. The gospel says “I’m a sinner and I need mercy and to repent (even if it’s a process of growth)”.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

I think people are too prideful that others “sin differently“. Christ tried to explain this hypocrisy when he said to hate someone is to commit murder in the heart. Because the Pharisees would say “we obey the commands, we don’t kill anyone”. Christ knew their heart and knew they hated people wishing them ill will. Over and over again He rebuked the self righteous.

Thank you for patiently answering my questions, this has been fantastic.

 

I don't understand the gods not dead film when it gets combined with the american stance on ownership of guns. It's weird it's cringe and i wished they'd stop(but also don't stop it's a train wreck and my popcorn is almost popped)

Oh lol~ I guess that’s more in the states. I think Canada is a good example for gun control. We seem to be doing okay ~

 We sure love our guns! ☹️

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Would you prefer a lowly street rat run things, one who as a scoundrel is mostly lucky and a bit acrobatic as his only real positive traits? 

Technically Jafar had no interest in the princess until Iago planted that suggestion when, at that point, he was already unraveling from the stress. Imagine how Jafar might have seemed in his life before the movie, by the time we're shown who he is he's already been through enough to justify these sorts of actions to himself. 

I'd technically throw the blame for how their society is going on their traditions, the very ones that'd allow The Sultan to be in power in the first place. Can we really blame Jafar for a corrupt system based on royalty that precedes him, that is much bigger than him, to the point of shackling him to The Sultan in the first place? 

Edit: Consider this scene (that I couldn't find on Youtube): 


With both the Sultan and princess out of sight, Jafar grinned angrily. He was thinking about his failure of getting the lamp from the cave of wonders. "If only I had gotten that lamp," he said.

"I will have power to get rid of you," Iago imitated Jasmine before complaining, "DARGH! To think…we gotta keep kissin' up to that chump and his chump daughter for the rest of our lives."

"No Iago," replied Jafar, "Only until she finds that chump husband then she'll have us banished, or beheaded!"

Both Jafar and Iago had the scary and disgusting thought of losing their heads if they were beheaded. Suddenly an idea popped in Iago's mind. "Wait a minute, wait a minute Jafar. What if YOU were the chump husband," he said.

"WHAT," replied Jafar in insult.

"Okay, you marry the princess alright," said Iago, "and, and uh…you…and…you become the Sultan."

A happy grin grew on Jafar's face. Iago's idea seemed like a good one. "Marry the shrew? Become the Sultan? The idea is merit," said Jafar.

"Yes, merit, yes. And then, we drop papa in law and the little woman off a cliff," said Iago, who then dive bombed himself to the ground, "KERSPLAT!"

Jafar laughed at how diabolical that idea was. "I love the way your foul little mind works," he said as he and Iago started laughing evilly.


I'm telling you, Jafar's a victim of circumstances. If anything Iago's the bad guy and, hilariously, frames it towards Aladdin that he's the victim as a way to worm his influence towards the newest source of power in the sequel, and the 'good guys' just accept his version of the story as the narrative otherwise does the same. 

Consider that when he's losing his shit [1][2], he's both discovered that Aladdin was using the lamp to pretend to be a prince and now has The Sultan ordering his palace guards to behead him on sight, having just escaped with a smoke bomb. This isn't Jafar on his best day, but rather as he's unraveling as pressures mount and years of planning fall apart. 

A lot of Disney movies offer a lot of room to sympathize with the bad guys once you consider their subtext rather than merely their appearances. 

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