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Yes TC.
My thoughts on that, some of us will be formatted for a do-over.
I know you look forward to oblivion, but this is what I gather.
Many faiths have fallen upon similar conclusions, but they tend to use words like 'Nirvana' to describe the ending.
Atheism is a faith too, and it doesn't seem to motivate people as much since an atheist expects to come to a grinding hault and all is lost in vain.
Atheism isn't a faith, at most it could be argued to be taken on faith. That is not the same thing when you look at the mechanisms behind it in that Atheism is without a theism, instead critiquing the notion of theism overall in the first place.
Rather than insisting it knows the answer from some holy text or whatever, it dares to ask others to explain themselves from an Earthly stance without being a wishy-washy Agnostic.
When it comes to nde's with nothing to report I really don't know why that is. Maybe the experience slipped away like a dream, or maybe nothing happened.
Science has already done the work for you there, it's the body's last gasp as it's surging through an extremely intense dream-like trip.
DMT literally mimics it, you could probably recreate the conditions of an NDE by fooling someone into thinking they're dying before they slip into the aforementioned psychedelic.
Maybe they'll reincarnate. I wouldn't know. I do believe we have souls and that death is an illusion and we cannot die.
The theory of reincarnation essentially states that life is suffering, and that the continued experience of living is further suffering until Nirvana is reached through earning it through the various stages of life. As such even within the theory of Reincarnation you can eventually die a true and final death, in fact it's the goal.
Even the idea of Reincarnation resets the soul's memory, similarly to that of someone's body decomposing into the soil to return it's nutrients to the Earth. Having your soul move to a new body is still effectively dying in that who you are in the here and now will cease to be, it's mostly within that belief recycled, usually with your next placement decided by some sort of celestial bureaucracy.
If you were to ascribe to Christian theology, they definitely believe in death. Only 144,000 even make it to Heaven while the rest remain on Earth to fight in The Rapture's final battle incarnated in their reborn forms. In time Jesus destroys the concept of Death and those who were of good faith repopulate Eden Mk. 2.
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Even when I have wanted to die, even after near death experiences, I've always felt kind of immortal.
Plural? You're saying you've had multiple near death experiences?
A guy was following me home a few weeks ago, I generally have a kind of "whatever happens I can handle it" attitude, but when it became apparent he really intended me harm...
How did that become apparent?
I've been in dangerous situations countless times
What, are you a steel worker? lol
Yes TC.
My thoughts on that, some of us will be formatted for a do-over.
I know you look forward to oblivion, but this is what I gather.
Many faiths have fallen upon similar conclusions, but they tend to use words like 'Nirvana' to describe the ending.
Atheism is a faith too, and it doesn't seem to motivate people as much since an atheist expects to come to a grinding hault and all is lost in vain.
Atheism isn't a faith, at most it could be argued to be taken on faith. That is not the same thing when you look at the mechanisms behind it in that Atheism is without a theism, instead critiquing the notion of theism overall in the first place.
Rather than insisting it knows the answer from some holy text or whatever, it dares to ask others to explain themselves from an Earthly stance without being a wishy-washy Agnostic.
Atheism is a faith. Science doesn't know how bacteria could have came to life to begin with, and at no point did the theory of evolution been proven. It's why it's called a theory.
Science being separate from Spirituality is nothing more than an idea. Primitive narcissistic separation.
As for Agnostics. No offence but it's wiser to be Agnostic and they for one are the least, as you say, wishy-washy. They are neutral and simply gather and think for themselves as opposed to arguing what they cannot prove.
When it comes to nde's with nothing to report I really don't know why that is. Maybe the experience slipped away like a dream, or maybe nothing happened.
Science has already done the work for you there, it's the body's last gasp as it's surging through an extremely intense dream-like trip.
Not that you'll answer but I'll ask. Who told you that ?
We are unable to imagine things without known references, but as it turns out all of a sudden we're to believe....WHEN the brain is inactive.... you following ?.... When the brain is inactive when pronounced dead, what makes you think it will render a reality more real than the physical world ?
If we never saw the colour red or blue. Any colour. We would NEVER imagine it. Eternally. It would be like describing colour to the blind.
I'm sorry. But to think we'll all have similar experiences of seeing 15+ new primary colours in another dimension when physically brain dead could be laughable.
There are reasons why the next big blockbuster movie will be another version of what we've seen. Aliens invading Earth, or war, or some gun slinging hackers. Everything we do artistically is inspired, not invented.
NDE's supply new material. The brain simply cannot render.
DMT literally mimics it, you could probably recreate the conditions of an NDE by fooling someone into thinking they're dying before they slip into the aforementioned psychedelic.
DMT is a medicine, not for fun and foolishness. It will shatter your reality if you break through. It doesn't happen like a dream, shit get's real. Addicts kick addictions and Atheists become theists after breaking through and meeting entities that will rip you a new one. There is no feeling high on DMT, it's a sober experience, minus the astonishment and wisdom it provides it's user.
It's amazing how something thought by many to be a delusion steers one toward positivity and personal growth.
Positivity is synonymous with higher awareness, lest the highest awareness pierces itself if it harms others.
But nah. This is all smoke and mirrors and the fact it leads everyone down a path of better health and transformation for the better and kicking bad habits. It's one big coincidence which still carries on for no reason in particular.
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Maybe they'll reincarnate. I wouldn't know. I do believe we have souls and that death is an illusion and we cannot die.
The theory of reincarnation essentially states that life is suffering, and that the continued experience of living is further suffering until Nirvana is reached through earning it through the various stages of life. As such even within the theory of Reincarnation you can eventually die a true and final death, in fact it's the goal.
Theory again. Okay.
Even the idea of Reincarnation resets the soul's memory, similarly to that of someone's body decomposing into the soil to return it's nutrients to the Earth. Having your soul move to a new body is still effectively dying in that who you are in the here and now will cease to be, it's mostly within that belief recycled, usually with your next placement decided by some sort of celestial bureaucracy.
If you were to ascribe to Christian theology, they definitely believe in death. Only 144,000 even make it to Heaven while the rest remain on Earth to fight in The Rapture's final battle incarnated in their reborn forms. In time Jesus destroys the concept of Death and those who were of good faith repopulate Eden Mk. 2.
Revelation 7:9 dispels that so called Christian theology.
It depicts countless people from every nation, probably all time, finding salvation before the throne.
The 144000 men. They have some other assignment, and nowhere does it say they'll be the only one's going to Heaven.
Even when I have wanted to die, even after near death experiences, I've always felt kind of immortal.
Plural? You're saying you've had multiple near death experiences?
A guy was following me home a few weeks ago, I generally have a kind of "whatever happens I can handle it" attitude, but when it became apparent he really intended me harm...
How did that become apparent?
I've been in dangerous situations countless times
What, are you a steel worker? lol
Yes multiple, and no lol but I was a drug addict in a relationship with a schizophrenic so potato potarto. Although it didn't give me a monetisable skill so maybe more like potato tomato.
It became apparent when he actually followed me off the bus, not just onto it, and when I ran to the other bus door and got back on he tried to follow but the bus driver closed the door
Yes TC.
My thoughts on that, some of us will be formatted for a do-over.
I know you look forward to oblivion, but this is what I gather.
Many faiths have fallen upon similar conclusions, but they tend to use words like 'Nirvana' to describe the ending.
Atheism is a faith too, and it doesn't seem to motivate people as much since an atheist expects to come to a grinding hault and all is lost in vain.
Atheism isn't a faith, at most it could be argued to be taken on faith. That is not the same thing when you look at the mechanisms behind it in that Atheism is without a theism, instead critiquing the notion of theism overall in the first place.
Rather than insisting it knows the answer from some holy text or whatever, it dares to ask others to explain themselves from an Earthly stance without being a wishy-washy Agnostic.Atheism is a faith. Science doesn't know how bacteria could have came to life to begin with, and at no point did the theory of evolution been proven. It's why it's called a theory.
I just explained this, it's not a faith but rather a lack thereof that, thanks to a sea of subjectivity we live in, is stuck being taken on faith through the filter of Earthly Logic. It attempts to use the here and now to question the ideas others push as if they were understood truths, and as the world outgrows former religions Atheism continues to grow.
By design it's meant to sunder other faiths and denote a lack of spirituality entirely.
Science being separate from Spirituality is nothing more than an idea. Primitive narcissistic separation.
Science is the only one of the two that insists on rigorous retesting so that the results can be replicated by nearly anyone, and can work as such with or without the presence of faith (until you get into subjective perception territory).
A lot of what eventually became science began as spirituality, which largely just means that they'd discovered amazing things and lacked a scientific explanation for it. Between the two the major difference is over how much you need to know before you allow yourself to believe in it, it's significantly more rigorous than faith 90% of the time.
As for Agnostics. No offence but it's wiser to be Agnostic and they for one are the least, as you say, wishy-washy. They are neutral and simply gather and think for themselves as opposed to arguing what they cannot prove.
The majority of the time it's just a label for those who don't want to ask questions or otherwise fear being seen having a dissenting opinion.
It's rare to find an agnostic who's researched, even atheists from having more of a chip on their shoulder typically have at least one or two religions' worth of material under their belt.
When it comes to nde's with nothing to report I really don't know why that is. Maybe the experience slipped away like a dream, or maybe nothing happened.
Science has already done the work for you there, it's the body's last gasp as it's surging through an extremely intense dream-like trip.
Not that you'll answer but I'll ask. Who told you that?
This is old news dude, it's been studied to death (no pun intended).
We are unable to imagine things without known references, but as it turns out all of a sudden we're to believe....WHEN the brain is inactive.... you following ?.... When the brain is inactive when pronounced dead, what makes you think it will render a reality more real than the physical world ?
What is and isn't real is a matter of perception, and assuming you aren't a lucid dreamer anyway people typically fall for the trap of believing their dreams are the current reality until they wake up. The only underlying difference between that and DMT is the intensity of the experience and what might be going through your head at the time.
If we never saw the colour red or blue. Any colour. We would NEVER imagine it. Eternally. It would be like describing colour to the blind.
I'm sorry. But to think we'll all have similar experiences of seeing 15+ new primary colours in another dimension when physically brain dead could be laughable.
You can't really prove if they saw other colors or simply had their perceptions told they were seeing them.
Ancient Greece meanwhile:
There are reasons why the next big blockbuster movie will be another version of what we've seen. Aliens invading Earth, or war, or some gun slinging hackers. Everything we do artistically is inspired, not invented.
Well yeah, people are uncreative and prone to peer modeling through tropes and archetypes.
NDE's supply new material. The brain simply cannot render.
So do psychadelics, you aren't really disproving anything here.
DMT literally mimics it, you could probably recreate the conditions of an NDE by fooling someone into thinking they're dying before they slip into the aforementioned psychedelic.
DMT is a medicine, not for fun and foolishness. It will shatter your reality if you break through.
NDE's aren't for fun and foolishness either.
I've known plenty who've taken it that, while escaping to worlds made of music and stuff, came back fairly intact.
It doesn't happen like a dream, shit get's real. Addicts kick addictions and Atheists become theists after breaking through and meeting entities that will rip you a new one.
Psychedelics in general can push that direction, I've seen a lot of people think of abstaining from substances entirely after enough LSD.
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There is no feeling high on DMT, it's a sober experience, minus the astonishment and wisdom it provides it's user.
I mean if you count drowsiness and loopiness as sobriety, then I've been sober through a lot of experiences. 😉
It's amazing how something thought by many to be a delusion steers one toward positivity and personal growth.
Are you trying to tell me that people only get positive, personal growth, from this substance?
Positivity is synonymous with higher awareness, lest the highest awareness pierces itself if it harms others.
So to go even further you'd say that these substances are a part of growth?
But nah. This is all smoke and mirrors and the fact it leads everyone down a path of better health and transformation for the better and kicking bad habits. It's one big coincidence which still carries on for no reason in particular.
There's people that awaken from these trips with nothing really useful to cover, like seeing multi-armed demons with no idea what's going on or what to take from it.
It's wakeful dreaming, and our dreams carry cobbled quilts of our life's experiences and ideations. If you were to spend your life fixating on Pan the Goat God he'd probably show up once or twice.
In that sense it's closer to being able to call upon effigies, if that's the direction it's otherwise taken. Once imagination and perception start bleeding into each other it's really moreover what's on your mind than anything else.
Maybe they'll reincarnate. I wouldn't know. I do believe we have souls and that death is an illusion and we cannot die.
The theory of reincarnation essentially states that life is suffering, and that the continued experience of living is further suffering until Nirvana is reached through earning it through the various stages of life. As such even within the theory of Reincarnation you can eventually die a true and final death, in fact it's the goal.
Theory again. Okay.
It's all we've got to work on, and it's more thought out than your "Surely people don't just die right?".
Even the idea of Reincarnation resets the soul's memory, similarly to that of someone's body decomposing into the soil to return it's nutrients to the Earth. Having your soul move to a new body is still effectively dying in that who you are in the here and now will cease to be, it's mostly within that belief recycled, usually with your next placement decided by some sort of celestial bureaucracy.
If you were to ascribe to Christian theology, they definitely believe in death. Only 144,000 even make it to Heaven while the rest remain on Earth to fight in The Rapture's final battle incarnated in their reborn forms. In time Jesus destroys the concept of Death and those who were of good faith repopulate Eden Mk. 2.Revelation 7:9 dispels that so called Christian theology.
It depicts countless people from every nation, probably all time, finding salvation before the throne.
The 144000 men. They have some other assignment, and nowhere does it say they'll be the only one's going to Heaven.
It details them as effectively the generals for the rest of the foot soldiers.
Considering it's a slave religion that emphasizes the differences between Master and Slave, and considering what a person would become with no sense of sin or death, it's fairly fitting when compared to the rest of the texts.
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I live like I'm going to suffer another many decades at least. Die? Dying doesn't scare me just the method I might die may be unnerving. I guess I do want to see season 3 of Code Geass and find my soulmate before I kick the bucket.
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