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Buttered Toast said: 

tpp said: 

If you're going to use the Bible to mock religious people, at least don't strawman it.

Insufferable.

You're the type of person who reads sentences out of context. It's what you do with the Bible. You see the tree, but not the forest. I don't believe in determinism, by the way. These smart-ass arguments.... I've heard them all before. You don't even try to understand, because you're predisposed to seeing no value in trying to genuinely understand... It's sad, and it is the prime reason I don't think you're a valuable person to talk to. The course of this discussion has already been predetermined by your.... thick head.

 I can't tell if this is more gaslighting or projection.  You're ad-hominning right into straw-manning.

Seems like it's on purpose imo. 

Turncoat said: 

Buttered Toast said: 

Turncoat said: 

tpp said: 

There is nothing bigger than God, but it's an insult to God for you to become a loser and waste the life you were given.

It really isn't when you read the entire thing. 

Ever look into Ecclesiastes? 

Surely you've both read Job? 

You mean the story where a bunch of regular people ended up suffering over a bet made between God and Satan? 

Satan knows God sees all of time and space at once, so ask yourself; Why would he make a bet with someone who could already see the outcome? 

The answer is simple: Through Job's ascension many many more were destined to go to Hell unjustly. Sure he was given a longer lifespan, a new wife, and new children, but he'd have to have a heart made of stone to not mourn the passing of his first family and his former friends. 

It raises similar questions with events like The Apple: Surely God in his Grand Wisdom knew humans would eat the apple and thereby be banished from the garden, and without that fruit we had even less choices than following it. He knew full well the outcomes and still chose to have things proceed as they have, meaning we must either accept that God isn't all powerful or that God wants things to be this way. 

The real difference is in the choice. 

The illusion of choice, don't mistake them for the same thing. If you look at the texts further you'll also see that while He supposedly gives us the option of choice he also doesn't appreciate the majority of our choices. 

God's been expressed to be a Deterministic creature, capable of seeing all of time and space at once. There isn't a choice we could make He wouldn't see in advance, therefor our choices are only as strong as the illusion of it, as far as the ignorance of God can allow. 

Christianity is almost entirely about ministry, mercy and forgiveness. 

That highly depends on which sect. 

Try asking a Catholic about this. 

Surely you're also familiar with the parable of the Prodigal Son and many others on this theme of compassion and sacrifice?

You mean when God used Jesus as Puppet Theater to impress the masses? 

The entire point of him being birthed as Jesus was so that he could relate to the Human experience more... but this contradicts both him being all knowing and his use of cheat codes with Jesus had him still not learn the lessons properly. At best we could argue that he needed Jesus in the timeline somewhere to understand humanity across all points in time, even before Jesus' birth, but that still contradicts a lot of things published about the Christian God. 

Even God and Jesus' talks with each other is largely a timelord talking to his retarded self in the timeline, and everything that happened was largely rhetorical. They couldn't even let him stay dead. 

I'm also quite familiar with how the passages were changed to have shit like Rome taken in a more sympathetic light. 

 I'll honestly admit to laziness when it comes to everything I need to bring up about this distortion, but I will say TV Tropes cannot always be your crutch.  Me explaining anything would literally be too deep a dive, as more questions will be asked and I'm sure no one is going to legitimately be arsed to look any of it up, or maybe even understand it.

(I think that just made me sound like "tpp" lol)

Buttered Toast said: 

 I can't tell if this is more gaslighting or projection.  You're ad-hominning right into straw-manning.

Ease up with the shark, toast-boy. Let's talk. Wouldn't it be nice for us to finally have a real chat...?

Buttered Toast said: 

Turncoat said: 

Buttered Toast said: 

Turncoat said: 

tpp said: 

There is nothing bigger than God, but it's an insult to God for you to become a loser and waste the life you were given.

It really isn't when you read the entire thing. 

Ever look into Ecclesiastes? 

Surely you've both read Job? 

You mean the story where a bunch of regular people ended up suffering over a bet made between God and Satan? 

Satan knows God sees all of time and space at once, so ask yourself; Why would he make a bet with someone who could already see the outcome? 

The answer is simple: Through Job's ascension many many more were destined to go to Hell unjustly. Sure he was given a longer lifespan, a new wife, and new children, but he'd have to have a heart made of stone to not mourn the passing of his first family and his former friends. 

It raises similar questions with events like The Apple: Surely God in his Grand Wisdom knew humans would eat the apple and thereby be banished from the garden, and without that fruit we had even less choices than following it. He knew full well the outcomes and still chose to have things proceed as they have, meaning we must either accept that God isn't all powerful or that God wants things to be this way. 

The real difference is in the choice. 

The illusion of choice, don't mistake them for the same thing. If you look at the texts further you'll also see that while He supposedly gives us the option of choice he also doesn't appreciate the majority of our choices. 

God's been expressed to be a Deterministic creature, capable of seeing all of time and space at once. There isn't a choice we could make He wouldn't see in advance, therefor our choices are only as strong as the illusion of it, as far as the ignorance of God can allow. 

Christianity is almost entirely about ministry, mercy and forgiveness. 

That highly depends on which sect. 

Try asking a Catholic about this. 

Surely you're also familiar with the parable of the Prodigal Son and many others on this theme of compassion and sacrifice?

You mean when God used Jesus as Puppet Theater to impress the masses? 

The entire point of him being birthed as Jesus was so that he could relate to the Human experience more... but this contradicts both him being all knowing and his use of cheat codes with Jesus had him still not learn the lessons properly. At best we could argue that he needed Jesus in the timeline somewhere to understand humanity across all points in time, even before Jesus' birth, but that still contradicts a lot of things published about the Christian God. 

Even God and Jesus' talks with each other is largely a timelord talking to his retarded self in the timeline, and everything that happened was largely rhetorical. They couldn't even let him stay dead. 

I'm also quite familiar with how the passages were changed to have shit like Rome taken in a more sympathetic light. 

I'll honestly admit to laziness when it comes to everything I need to bring up about this distortion, but I will say TV Tropes cannot always be your crutch. 

I didn't use TVTropes for this..?

I've cumulatively read The Bible before, mostly in chunks rather than all at once, and have spent a lot of time debating with believers as well as drilling the concepts with my father who's also shown himself to be a skeptic of a similar strain. 

You should read it sometime, it's a nutty read. 
 

Turncoat said: 

Then you don't believe in Christianity. 🤷

The problem is you don't understand what Christianity is.

tpp said: 

Turncoat said: 

Then you don't believe in Christianity. 🤷

The problem is you don't understand what Christianity is.

Among it's many tenants is the idea that God sees all of time and space at once. 

We can agree on this much at least, right? 

Turncoat said: 

tpp said: 

Turncoat said: 

Then you don't believe in Christianity. 🤷

The problem is you don't understand what Christianity is.

Among it's many tenants is the idea that God sees all of time and space at once. 

We can agree on this much at least, right?

No. This is what I mean by you not understanding Christianity.

tpp said: 

Turncoat said: 

tpp said: 

Turncoat said: 

Then you don't believe in Christianity. 🤷

The problem is you don't understand what Christianity is.

Among it's many tenants is the idea that God sees all of time and space at once. 

We can agree on this much at least, right?

No. This is what I mean by you not understanding Christianity.

So you mean to tell me God can't see all of time and space? 

Turncoat said: 

So you mean to tell me God can't see all of time and space?

I'm saying that I am not convinced that among Christianity's many tenents is that God can see all of time and space. Prove that God can see all of time and space. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

Turncoat said: 

I've cumulatively read The Bible before, mostly in chunks rather than all at once, and have spent a lot of time debating with believers as well as drilling the concepts with my father who's also shown himself to be a skeptic of a similar strain. 

You should read it sometime, it's a nutty read. 
 

 Maybe not TV Tropes per se, but more the use of pop-culture in a TV Trope-ish way.  I've read the Bible three times, cumulatively (which only counts for once) and two front-to-back times.  Are you familiar with the Urantia Book, CTMU or Spiritism?

The core to all sects or denominations was inherited from the original message, and don't express all the genes of this ancestry, mutating.  Often, though, the gripe is that Christianity was really an effort made by Saul/Paul (along with Peter to some extent), and it was made into a religion about Jesus and not the religion of Jesus.  It's been a long play of the telephone game.

What most of Paul's efforts seem to be about is to appeal to the Jews.  The whole idea of Atonement was ingrained in their heads.  Sacrificing to God, etc.  Jesus himself was outraged at the temple for making "my Father's house" into a marketplace.

And I'm sure you know about all the other efforts to bring outside religions into the fold by appealing to their beliefs, such as purgatory and the fae and pagan beliefs.  Christianity is renown for its long history of "cultural appropriation".