What has you (anyone) so sure that what you're seeing is the reality?
In the grand scheme of things nothing can be proven because there is always an u known factor involved to some degree. And since it is an unknown factor; we cant determine its influence over "truth".
The only real thing anybody has; is faith that their assumptions are correct.
What has you (anyone) so sure that what you're seeing is the reality?
In the grand scheme of things nothing can be proven because there is always an u known factor involved to some degree. And since it is an unknown factor; we cant determine its influence over "truth".
The only real thing anybody has; is faith that their assumptions are correct.
This faith in assumptions can be cemented with consistency though. If this sort of thought train was this true, you'd see sporadic errors across all of our technological advances. Planes, cars, buses, elevators would crash for no reason.
Human knowledge is a staircase built off of time tested results. If we failed to understand even one of those base steps, the entire thing would collapse on itself.
Kestrel said:Human knowledge is a staircase built off of time tested results. If we failed to understand even one of those base steps, the entire thing would collapse on itself.
I don't think someone needs to understand how a button works to press it. We have lab monkeys and rats that can figure that stuff out sheerly through cause and effect, and I think we're more likely to be on an advanced version of that than every man an inventor.
We just need to know what something does, not how it was built. We can coast on superstition as long as we get results when we press said button.
What has you (anyone) so sure that what you're seeing is the reality?
In the grand scheme of things nothing can be proven because there is always an u known factor involved to some degree. And since it is an unknown factor; we cant determine its influence over "truth".
The only real thing anybody has; is faith that their assumptions are correct.
This faith in assumptions can be cemented with consistency though. If this sort of thought train was this true, you'd see sporadic errors across all of our technological advances. Planes, cars, buses, elevators would crash for no reason.
Human knowledge is a staircase built off of time tested results. If we failed to understand even one of those base steps, the entire thing would collapse on itself.
Well assuming that a random star's death on the other end of the universe doesnt upset the balance of the laws we have learned we are good.
Solar panel only works during day; and trucks only work because currently two specific molecules on the other end of the universe are near eachother.
You can literally pull variables out of your ass, making all assumptions of truth invalid with a type of thinking.
We may not be observing the sporadic errors yet because the world may be a simulation that is 5 min old; and every memory of yours is an implant. The history of the earth completely fabricated so you dont catch on this is a 5min old simulation.
We just need to know what something does, not how it was built. We can coast on superstition as long as we get results when we press said button.
Coasting on superstition leads to sacrificing children to appease rain gods and drilling holes in the head for headaches.
Reverse engineering is king.
Kestrel said:Human knowledge is a staircase built off of time tested results. If we failed to understand even one of those base steps, the entire thing would collapse on itself.I don't think someone needs to understand how a button works to press it. We have lab monkeys and rats that can figure that stuff out sheerly through cause and effect, and I think we're more likely to be on an advanced version of that than every man an inventor.
We just need to know what something does, not how it was built. We can coast on superstition as long as we get results when we press said button.
You dont need to know why that button is pushed or the sequence that happens to make that happen but the people that build it do. If things were mildly understood, with loop holes in our logic nothing would get done. Can you imagine the world falling apart because for some reason screws didn't actually do as they intended? I mention screws because they are a good comparison to how each bit of our knowledge is a better part to a whole.
How our generally process of discovery works.
New process/material discovered --> products/services created from discovery --> process/service streamlined down to the lowest and exact tolerances.
It may be cause and effect, but it's refined until there are no unexplained outside variables. Skepticism on things like this would have to mean there is some ghost element or factor that has no way of being detected by any form of our equipment and it would have to still produce the same result everytime with and without affecting the material/process.
When it comes to space exploration and categorization, that very skeptical mindset applies. But we are very capable of understanding this world and the structures we build around it.
We just need to know what something does, not how it was built. We can coast on superstition as long as we get results when we press said button.
Coasting on superstition leads to sacrificing children to appease rain gods and drilling holes in the head for headaches.
It does that if the people in power establishing the model for people to follow has it go down that path.
Sacrifice served a practical purpose, and lobotomies were but the first step in practices we use powders and chemicals to more slowly accomplish today.
Reverse engineering is king.
Yeah... but not everyone can be a king.
Fontaine, Bioshock said:These sad saps. They come to Rapture thinking they're gonna be captains of industry, but they all forget that somebody's gotta scrub the toilets. What an angle they gave me... I hand these mugs a cot and a bowl of soup, and they give me their lives. Who needs an army when I got Fontaine's Home for the Poor?
A lot of people'd rather be comfortable, have no idea what to do when given power, and even those who are more on the reverse engineering side tend to err towards their specialties.
How many people even bother to look at what their food is made of for instance without even bothering to learn to cook? It's the same principle, people tend to like the comfort that comes from following rather than being followed.
We are not too different from the rat pressing the button and expecting results.
Kestrel said:Human knowledge is a staircase built off of time tested results. If we failed to understand even one of those base steps, the entire thing would collapse on itself.I don't think someone needs to understand how a button works to press it. We have lab monkeys and rats that can figure that stuff out sheerly through cause and effect, and I think we're more likely to be on an advanced version of that than every man an inventor.
We just need to know what something does, not how it was built. We can coast on superstition as long as we get results when we press said button.You dont need to know why that button is pushed or the sequence that happens to make that happen but the people that build it do.
Yeah, we need that one freak of nature that knows how to defy it that time produces seemingly at random to really change how people operate. We're creatures of retention and function far more than creatures of invention, which is why not every Tom Dick and Jane is inventing shit.
If things were mildly understood, with loop holes in our logic nothing would get done.
Mild understanding is streamline actually. If people know how something works but not why, they still get shit done. If they are given more steps and understanding than their brain can handle it becomes more complicated for many to do their jobs, or they drop the details that aren't purely about function.
Case in point: Most people's understanding of computers. They get that typing Amazon.com for instance lets them buy shit, but do they know the process? Do they know the programming? Do they even know where Amazon got those things?
No, they just care that it's in their hands. Press the button, out comes the food pellet, it's a model of human existence that involves less buttons than we're used to using on the daily now. 
Can you imagine the world falling apart because for some reason screws didn't actually do as they intended?
Yes, back in my day we called it Y2K.
I mention screws because they are a good comparison to how each bit of our knowledge is a better part to a whole.
Manufacturing is more important than the one operating it. The more user friendly the design, the less we need to know.
It's only when it's shoddy manufacturing that you need to figure more of it's inner workings to tweak it into continued function, as otherwise there's all sorts of way a pro could be kept in the dark for how things are component-side.
It may be cause and effect, but it's refined until there are no unexplained outside variables.
Retention is the biggest factor. We could be pressing a knob in a tree to see it opens a secret door and it's not too different from our understanding of things now.
What separates it is it's specificity, we assume that technology from being a byproduct of man is therefor a byproduct of "us", and that that somehow gives us a stronger handle on what it's about.
Watch technologically illiterate people and the reality becomes bare.
Skepticism on things like this would have to mean there is some ghost element or factor that has no way of being detected by any form of our equipment and it would have to still produce the same result everytime with and without affecting the material/process.
Explain to me how a television works.
When it comes to space exploration and categorization, that very skeptical mindset applies. But we are very capable of understanding this world and the structures we build around it.
Most of human kind is just watching these few specialists tell us strange and at points seemingly random things. Following along their path as the people we are offers us a layman's understanding at best.
We are not all captains of space travel because we watch some others fuck with it's properties, and we don't need to be in order to enjoy the gains they find. We're basically along for the ride. 
We're barely different from cattle these days honestly.
