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Sven said: 

Whorechata said: 

no, thats right, criminals sometimes die. so stop complaining about it. white people are killed more by cops than blacks. those are the facts.

BLM is just a bunch of snowflakes. fucking riots, so dumb

 

 I get what you're trying to do, it's not really working because then you have to discard your previous statement:

Sven said:

you know, we've all had run ins with total dick cops. but they do serve a purpose in society. instead of reducing cop funding like the dumb ass democrats, how about we get them some psychological training so they don't get triggered and start shooting/choking when someone insults their mom.

they have got to deal with worst most dangerous people in society. their job sucks and it attracts a certain type of bully-ish person. female cops are the worst ;)

no doubt, if cops break the law they should be prosecuted and yes background checks

 It's not that blm are a bunch of snowflakes, it's that you're not willing to look past them(the color of their skin) to the real issues that they're protesting which is police brutality.  Let's take Chauvin for example: he has previous complaint records- from pulling a woman out of her car to shooting civilians that allegedly had a gun- just a few, and yet was never disciplined and continued to use excessive force until it killed someone. 

Surely you've seen this video right? 

The two cops involved were suspended without pay. Their 57 fellow officers resigned from the unit, not in horror of what had happened but in solidarity with their 2 fellow officers that were suspended without pay.

Their union is very upset that they were suspended:

 

The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank-and-file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests. The union is upset with the treatment of the two officers who were suspended.

"Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," Evans said. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards."

 There is something very wrong with our police. BLM is bringing those issues to focus once again.

"There is something very wrong with our police. BLM is bringing those issues to focus once again."

ok. but i only see a few issues that you are pointing out.

how do we know there really is nation wide police brutality? is this a local issue or everywhere?

just because one or two people get killed by a triggered ass hole cop does not mean there is nation wide police brutality. what does the data say? is there any data? are they hiding the data?

hey im all about justice, but when BLM causes rioting, death and destruction due to one guy getting killed by a cop, kinda seems anti-productive to the cause.

 

 

 

 It's a nation wide issue, I spoke about qualified immunity- which is basically that it shields officers from lawsuits if they did not violate a "clearly established" constitutional right under federal law. 

What that means is that unless there was already a clearly established right- using floyd- that cops cannot kneel on your neck as a way to incapacitate you, you will not be able to hold them accountable. A lot of the stuff they are doing is 100% legal because no one has been able to successfully sue since it is nearly impossible.

If there isn’t a past precedent the officer should’ve known about, they will not be prosecuted. In court, you can allege any difference in almost identical cases and the court can rule there’s no established precedent. A lot of states tend to keep police misconduct records private or inaccessible to the public. 

In December 2018 Inglewood police department destroyed over 100 records dating back to 1991 days before a new state law would have allowed the public to view these records. Gee, that seems a fishy doesn't it. 

BLM didn't cause rioting, death and destruction and it wasn't just the one guy. In 2013 - 2015 the protests were largely peaceful, individuals protested in various peaceful way and even now most of these protests are still peaceful. Much of the rioting has to do with opportunistic individuals that set of chain reactions and you have to remember that a lot of people have gone through several things already- as you pointed out: coronavirus, loss of jobs, inability to qualify for unemployment. People are angry and lashing out. 

Let's not put the blame solely on BLM.

Sven said: 

"Surely you've seen this video right? "

i watched this video very closely. heres my take.

 

those cops look like they are pushing a line. pushing people out of the area.

this guy comes up to them talking. they are used to pushing able bodied young people.

the old guy gets pushed and totally falls back smashing his head.

it did not look like malicious police brutality to me. more of an accident

the police were pushing no doubt

 

police brutality would have been if the cop continued to beat the fuck out of the guy after pushing him down

 Okay, this is what that police department had to say about it before the video made rounds;

Buffalo Police claimed in a statement that the man fell: “A 5th person was arrested during a skirmish with other protestors and also charged with disorderly conduct. During that skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”

 After it was seen that he was pushed because there was video evidence, the two cops involved were suspended without pay. In solidarity the the other 57 resigned from the emergency response unit. Don't get it wrong, they did it solidarity with the two police officers that were suspended- why? Because they were suspended without pay and because their union won't cover their legal fees. 

It'd be one thing if they resigned because of what happened to an elderly man or because they didn't agree to hurt those they're supposed to protect but they're throwing a tantrum because 2 officers had to face consequences. 

There good police for sure, but then they get overshadowed by these assholes. 

before i take any sides on BLM vs cops and police brutality, i want to check some numbers for myself. anything the media puts out is automatically biased towards their narrative

now I did not spend a huge amount of time getting these numbers as I just wanted to get a rough idea what was going on I wanted to compare deaths by police during arrests to deaths to cops in the line of duty.

I think this will be a good comparison and really shed some light on what is going on. The data was a little hard to come by but I feel give a good rough comparison

I looks like there was around 60 deaths to cops on average per year Looks like there are around 700,000 total cops working 100 * 60 / 700000 = 0.0086% chance of death to cops making arrests

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191694/number-of-law-enforcement-officers-in-the-us/

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2019/tables/table-1.xls

Similarly for criminals or suspects

Looks like there was 488 deaths on average per year And about 8.4 million arrests 100 * 488 / 8400000 = 0.0058% chance of death.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2228

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

So the crazy surprise is that cops have higher chance of being killed during an arrest than the average suspect.

This was very surprising to me. I suspect this one of the reasons why cops are so triggered and totally freaked out during an arrest.

Even if the numbers were reversed, cops die on the job at the hands of criminals.

I’m not condoning police brutality, im just saying look at both sides and be careful what the media is spinning. Make your own decisions based on your own research.

I'd like to point out that you had already taken sides before that last post and possibly before my own posts.

Whorechata said: 

I'd like to point out that you had already taken sides before that last post and possibly before my own posts.

i had no side about the police brutality. but i do now. i think the police need more funding for proper personnel vetting and more psychological training. i see New York/Minneapolis are threatening reducing funding. i think this is a mistake and the wrong direction. im going to look for a little more data about the police to back up my opinion. if i find different facts my opinion can change.

reduce funding to the police to punish them, they get pissed don't work, crime increases, good people leave, place becomes more of a shit hole, more people leave. spirals into destruction. you kinda need the cops like the fire department.

i did have a side on the black businesses racism signs. did they think the black business signs were going to push the rioting towards other races? is this some kind of targeted racial rioting?

wish mine looked like this

Black Lives Matter Is A Leftist Lie

Wake up, don't let the media run your lives.

Oregon State Police released this dramatic dashboard video of a deadly shootout between a trooper and driver. It happened on I-84, about 100 miles east of Portland. John Van Allen, 34, is pulled over, exits his car and begins shooting at the state trooper. Allen is killed in the exchange. He is found dead in his car a half-mile down the road. Three juvenilles were in the back of the car uninjured.

Sven said:

i think the police need more funding for proper personnel vetting and more psychological training.

Wouldn't this just make for more clever racists? 

Sven said: 

Whorechata said: 

I'd like to point out that you had already taken sides before that last post and possibly before my own posts.

i had no side about the police brutality. but i do now. i think the police need more funding for proper personnel vetting and more psychological training. i see New York/Minneapolis are threatening reducing funding. i think this is a mistake and the wrong direction. im going to look for a little more data about the police to back up my opinion. if i find different facts my opinion can change.

reduce funding to the police to punish them, they get pissed don't work, crime increases, good people leave, place becomes more of a shit hole, more people leave. spirals into destruction. you kinda need the cops like the fire department.

i did have a side on the black businesses racism signs. did they think the black business signs were going to push the rioting towards other races? is this some kind of targeted racial rioting?

 You know that their union can often make their officers just *not* work as much right? 2015 police slowdown in NY is proof that the police union can throw it's tantrum whenever it wants. I think there should be a reduction in police funding so that it can go to mental health programs but I also want body cams on at all times of the shift. There's so many people that have retired from police force and gone one to say how fucked up it is and how it needs to change. You can find multiple videos of them on ted talk/YouTube. 

I can't answer what those business owners were thinking but I agree with what peach said. 

Whorechata said: 

Sven said: 

Whorechata said: 

I'd like to point out that you had already taken sides before that last post and possibly before my own posts.

i had no side about the police brutality. but i do now. i think the police need more funding for proper personnel vetting and more psychological training. i see New York/Minneapolis are threatening reducing funding. i think this is a mistake and the wrong direction. im going to look for a little more data about the police to back up my opinion. if i find different facts my opinion can change.

reduce funding to the police to punish them, they get pissed don't work, crime increases, good people leave, place becomes more of a shit hole, more people leave. spirals into destruction. you kinda need the cops like the fire department.

i did have a side on the black businesses racism signs. did they think the black business signs were going to push the rioting towards other races? is this some kind of targeted racial rioting?

 You know that their union can often make their officers just *not* work as much right? 2015 police slowdown in NY is proof that the police union can throw it's tantrum whenever it wants. I think there should be a reduction in police funding so that it can go to mental health programs but I also want body cams on at all times of the shift. There's so many people that have retired from police force and gone one to say how fucked up it is and how it needs to change. You can find multiple videos of them on ted talk/YouTube. 

I can't answer what those business owners were thinking but I agree with what peach said. 

im not a fan of unions. unions tend to overprotect low performers. although the unions do provide a balance between pure capitalism abuse.

reduce funding huh? do you know the police budget and what they spend the money on? maybe there is an area they can reduce. but after the 8 minute knee lock on that dudes neck. i would suggest the cops get some additioanal training on how not to kill people after they take them into custody.