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Chaotik said: 

Turncoat said:

Exactly, not right now.

If you were though, what are your terms and restrictions? What can they do and not do as your "other"?

Well, that would have to be discussed between my significant other and I.

So you mean to tell me you don't have terms of your own, dealbreakers, lines you can't see your "other" crossing that, in turn, you have the same restrictions over (or maybe you don't if you're an alfa). 

Obviously, no cheating.

You say "obviously" like cheating only means one thing. 

Is she allowed to flirt with other dudes for example? Would you be comfortable with her having male friends she's on hugging and cheek kissing terms with? 

I might be down for a threesome or more, but not like a polyamorous relationship, just as like an occasional thing, as long as my partner and I consent. 

How would you expect yourself to feel if she ends up having more fun with your third person than you do, if they say they love eachother mid-thrust? 

Can you take that? 

I wouldn't expect them to do the whole "expected thing of women" if it is a female. If we're living together, then we would have shared responsibilities and take turns doing things.

How would you feel if a woman paid for your food at a restaurant? 

I guess for the most part I'm a chill person.

The idealism of your self-concept is, there's a difference. 

Turncoat said:

What about using sex as social liberation?

I know you said "you don't care" about that further along, but what about it's a problem exactly?

I don't view it as a good way of dealing with stress.

That's not the only reason to do it, wtf? There's way more reasons to fuck than stress relief and money, tons more. 

You're a virgin aren't you? Still have this idea that sex is all Disney and junk? Do you call it "Making Love" when you're with a partner? 

I feel like using it as such, especially if it's with more than one partner, could be detrimental and bring about feelings of guilt. 

That's pure projection, plenty of people don't feel guilt over it when it's agreed upon (or even if cheating). 

YOU would feel too much guilt, of your own design. 

Others can, but I'm not really interested in having sex with multiple different people. Maybe at some point, but it really doesn't seem like something healthy. 

Why isn't it healthy to follow even older fashioned ideologies than your own? 

The idea of "spreading one's seed" has gone through many different chapters, and your notion of human shame in sex is entirely conditioned into you by puritanical notions of society and culture. 

Puritanical methodology is unnatural, nurturing a childish insecurity. It was initially made as a way to push religious zeal and ensure converts as children, but it has little place in our modern society beyond nurturing insecurity so that it may never grow past itself. 

Turncoat said:

So I take it you feel the same about factory work, and media jobs in general?

I'm speaking about objectifying and abusing women. I don't see it mentally healthy for the pornstars.

You really loath elaborating. 

You can't just say "It's unhealthy" without explaining why, that's stupid. EXPLAIN yourself, describe to me how it affects the dopamine centers of the brain instead of insulting everyone by figuring that this is enough. 

Turncoat said:

What's wrong with sex as commerce?

Does using someone like that in turn make you feel used?

I wouldn't know if it'd make me feel used. I never fucked a prostitute. I am against it, because I don't view it as healthy.

Omfg stop using that word, it means nothing without going further. 

Is it STD risk, is it lazy, is it decadent, what makes it "unhealthy"? This could mean literally anything. 

Given how prostitutes are generally treated, and the fact that there are a lot doing it only to survive, I don't view it as a good profession. 

What, you think it's like how it is on Taxi Driver? 

There's "soft grooming" and "ideological grooming" now, not all of it's a ringed backhand to shock the product into compliance.

There's high class whores out there with matching price tags and standards, and as porn and prostitution becomes more commercial they worry about the health of both the clientel and the servicer. If we made it legal, there'd be less STDs, less Pimp abuse, and a sense of respectability towards the profession. 

To contrast I have slept with a prostitute once while I was traveling, I've otherwise fooled around with multiple people while not anything official, and I had a long term Friends-With-Benefits who I'm otherwise still friendly with. I also while engaged to get married fucked a woman who herself was also engaged, and following that both of our relationships dissolved and we ended up dating each other.

It really doesn't mean anything beyond what you attach to it and the immediate context's risks. You're likely just holding yourself back and saying you have a code from being too shook up about the female race, giving yourself excuses as justifications towards your own weaknesses. 

Turncoat said:

Drop the "justs" and elaborate?

What makes it so depraved in the modern age, the availability?

It's depraved being of the hedonistic nature

What's wrong with enjoying yourself? 

Hedonism is just once you've taken it too far, typically taken as a banner of convenience philosophically. If you do it within reasonable limits, if you can measure yourself instead of descending into the deeps, what's the problem? 

it's depraved because the fact that sex sells, that women are practically products.

No, people are products. You're bisexual, I'm sure you've seen how men are treated within the porn industry? 

If you want to go on about "abuse in the industry", the men have it worse. Men are typically forced to start their work with gay sex, having to work their way up to fucking women, even if they're straight. They get paid less, have higher demands put on them, and they don't even get to be the star of the show, often with their heads cropped out of frame. 

If your head is cropped out of frame, that makes it much more difficult to build a porn portfolio for future work (tattoos help, as do identifying marks). Women own that industry, but the times are still transitioning past patriarchical money values. 

It's availability over the internet has made it worse, even kids can easily stumble upon it, and I don't view it as healthy.

YOU KEEP FUCKING SAYING "HEALTHY". 

Use WORDS, be DESCRIPTIVE. You aren't a caveman, nor a parrot. 

Sure, kids go through puberty and are going to have thoughts, but there are children who are exposed to it at a younger age. Plus, an addiction can get worse and worse, and become more and more hardcore. 

I think it's healthy to have porn at a young age, speaking as one who began watching it pretty much the minute erections started happening at like... 10 years old? 

Nudity is entirely natural, and in our modern society we've been conditioned to even fear the naked form! Back in history before we crafted culture to defend those small of dick and weak of muscle, clothes were purely a matter of aesthetic and warmth. 

People who watch porn have more familiarity with the naked form, and therefor are less shocked and awed by it. I'm less likely to end up fucking some random person who drops their clothes unexpectedly than you are (barring you shivering nervously, averting your eyes, and facing the wall like a total wuss). 

With parents struggling to talk about sex, and with schools sex ed programs being god awful, it's up to porn to educate us. Just don't pull a Euphoria from HBO and assume women like being strangled and called your bitch and you're basically good. 

To top things off, being with a porn-using partner makes it much easier to have mature discussions about the human condition, expressions made, aesthetics of the media, and even each other's kinks. You for instance have no idea what you like thanks to your tardiness in this study, while I can identify kinks out of other people quite easily. 

You are seeing this as "disgusting" to the point of rendering yourself stupid. You should study porn if you want to understand your peers, your fellow man. It has much to teach that you won't find in a textbook or in Warhammer source material. 

Turncoat said:

I understand disliking it when it's purely over survival needs, but that view is antiquated. Through media these days, people do it for fun, even as a side job or in many cases for free.

There's much more being traded than just currency when it comes to the body market these days, there's also lifestyles, ideas, that keep it in motion.

It can feel good to be watched, to know you've been, it all depends on your mindset. When handled with poise, it ceases being sad and becomes impassioned art.

I guess it's alright if they aren't doing it for survival, and they aren't being abused by it. Though, I still think it has the potential to harm people who realize that such a lifestyle might not be for them. 

So does any lifestyle. What, should people stop going for four year college degrees because that major's lifestyle might not be for them? 

You're projecting dude, check Chatturbate and educate yourself. 

Turncoat said:

This is a terribly uneducated view.

Sexual revolutions are just as important as other kinds, and ignoring it is making you ignorant of the modern techno-renaissance you've found yourself born into.

Your world will be a terrible dull shade of grey if you keep building fences. Why not allow for a little color?

That isn't what I'm saying, sure perhaps with the techno-renaissance it can be worse, because of how wide spread it is. 

Why is it bad that human nature is returning to something more natural? 

I take it you've read scientific theories on the purpose of the female multiple-orgasm, why they moan so loudly during sex by comparison to dudes... 

Humans were built to be promiscuous, women were meant to take more than one seed, but through our retention of history we can aim to circumvent those urges, and empower our sense of shame through ruminations and repetitions done across our cultural history. 

You can see how wildly values differ by looking at other countries' ideas of treating people as property. Many of them hate porn too. 

I was saying in general, if there are still people who are in the porn industry for survival then it's disgusting.

That's true of every profession, and I don't see shame in trying to survive through the means that comes most easily to you. 

Turncoat said:

So, like many things, you've externalized and transferred your own self loathing towards a larger concept?

Are you implying that because of my own faults in life, I hate the porn industry or? I don't view my sexual relationships with online girls who had suicidal thoughts as healthy.

And you've been projecting QUITE A LOT onto "the female species", as opposed to seeing human beings with boobs and babymakers. 

It might have helped in the moment, but typically both I and the person I did it with felt guilt and regretted it, it was a common theme in my relationships.

What? 

Why?

What's wrong with it? 

Are you sure you aren't just responding to her seeing it as regretful, and that sense of shame has jaunted you towards excuses and justifications for your shock? 

Turncoat said:

Why do you hate incels?

Are you too weak to face the black pill so you'd rather not think about it?

I dislike incels for their sexist views and violence against women on the basis that they are women and would reject them. I'd say sure, physical attractiveness can play a factor but it can vary as some wouldn't care. I think incels need therapy and to be helped. 

I think it makes you cringe from how you're 4/5 the way to relating to them. 

"I'll never join youuuuu" - Luke Skywalker

Turncoat said:

What was she like?

Depressed and suicidal, she cut herself with razor blades. I almost fucked her, but we did make out and such. I honestly don't remember what things we had in common. 

Considering who you are, if you can't remember what you two had in common what was the allure? 

Turncoat said:

So you mean to tell me you don't have terms of your own, dealbreakers, lines you can't see your "other" crossing that, in turn, you have the same restrictions over (or maybe you don't if you're an alfa).

 It's not something I have thought about deeply, considering I haven't been looking for a relationship with someone. I'm not even that concerned with romance. I'd probably get a fuck buddy, but considering all that I've said, I'm not looking for it. I stated some basic ones. Where have I implied was an alpha of some sort? I literally just stated that it'd be an effort between my partner and I. 

Turncoat said:

Is she allowed to flirt with other dudes for example? Would you be comfortable with her having male friends she's on hugging and cheek kissing terms with?

 Sure, in theory that wouldn't really bother me, I guess.

Turncoat said:

How would you expect yourself to feel if she ends up having more fun with your third person than you do, if they say they love eachother mid-thrust?

Can you take that?

 I guess I could feel insecure. I'd probably bring it up with her in private if it became the case. 

Turncoat said:

How would you feel if a woman paid for your food at a restaurant?

 I see no problem with that, I'd offer to pay, but if she truly insisted, then sure. 

Turncoat said:

The idealism of your self-concept is, there's a difference.

 Well, of course. I'm answering based on what I think in my head I would do. An actual scenario could be different.

Turncoat said:

That's not the only reason to do it, wtf? There's way more reasons to fuck than stress relief and money, tons more.

You're a virgin aren't you? Still have this idea that sex is all Disney and junk? Do you call it "Making Love" when you're with a partner?

 You and your partner could fuck for fun, for love, sure. I don't care if that's the case. I am a virgin. I never viewed it as disney and junk? I don't see it as some holy thing that should only happen after marriage. 

Turncoat said:

That's pure projection, plenty of people don't feel guilt over it when it's agreed upon (or even if cheating).

YOU would feel too much guilt, of your own design.

 Point taken. 

Turncoat said:

Why isn't it healthy to follow even older fashioned ideologies than your own?

The idea of "spreading one's seed" has gone through many different chapters, and your notion of human shame in sex is entirely conditioned into you by puritanical notions of society and culture.

Puritanical methodology is unnatural, nurturing a childish insecurity. It was initially made as a way to push religious zeal and ensure converts as children, but it has little place in our modern society beyond nurturing insecurity so that it may never grow past itself.

 I guess I thought about it the wrong way. I don't have a problem with people fucking each other. I don't think I subscribe to the religious vision of sex. 

Turncoat said:

You really loath elaborating.

You can't just say "It's unhealthy" without explaining why, that's stupid. EXPLAIN yourself, describe to me how it affects the dopamine centers of the brain instead of insulting everyone by figuring that this is enough.

 If a pornstar is in porn trying to survive, the commodification of her body probably isn't going to be a kind thing to her mind.

I wouldn't have pornography as a career, leisure thing sure, but to turn it into an economical industry doesn't seem right. 

Turncoat said:

Omfg stop using that word, it means nothing without going further.

Is it STD risk, is it lazy, is it decadent, what makes it "unhealthy"? This could mean literally anything.

 Commodification of people. 

Turncoat said:

What, you think it's like how it is on

There's "soft grooming" and "ideological grooming" now, not all of it's a ringed backhand to shock the product into compliance.

There's high class whores out there with matching price tags and standards, and as porn and prostitution becomes more commercial they worry about the health of both the clientel and the servicer. If we made it legal, there'd be less STDs, less Pimp abuse, and a sense of respectability towards the profession.

To contrast I have slept with a prostitute once while I was traveling, I've otherwise fooled around with multiple people while not anything official, and I had a long term Friends-With-Benefits who I'm otherwise still friendly with. I also while engaged to get married fucked a woman who herself was also engaged, and following that both of our relationships dissolved and we ended up dating each other.

It really doesn't mean anything beyond what you attach to it and the immediate context's risks. You're likely just holding yourself back and saying you have a code from being too shook up about the female race, giving yourself excuses as justifications towards your own weaknesses.

 I have no problem with someone who wants to have relationships with others for fun, I just don't promote it as a economical field. I don't view it as something to be commodified. 

Turncoat said:

What's wrong with enjoying yourself?

Hedonism is just once you've taken it too far, typically taken as a banner of convenience philosophically. If you do it within reasonable limits, if you can measure yourself instead of descending into the deeps, what's the problem?

 If it's within reasonable limits then yea, it's fine. If it becomes something excessive then it's wrong.

With how much consumerism there is, and how much is consumed, it seems rather addictive and hedonistic. 

Turncoat said:

No, people are products. You're bisexual, I'm sure you've seen how men are treated within the porn industry?

If you want to go on about "abuse in the industry", the men have it worse. Men are typically forced to start their work with gay sex, having to work their way up to fucking women, even if they're straight. They get paid less, have higher demands put on them, and they don't even get to the the star of the show, often with their heads cropped out of frame.

If your head is cropped out of frame, that makes it much more difficult to build a porn portfolio for future work. Women own that industry, but the times are still transitioning past patriarchical money values.

 I'm not disagreeing with that, it abuses both and commodifies both. 

Turncoat said:

YOU KEEP FUCKING SAYING "HEALTHY".

Use WORDS, be DESCRIPTIVE. You aren't a caveman, nor a parrot.

 Exposing children to pornography especially at a young age where they are still developing can fuck with their head, they can become addicted to pornography, seek it out online, and come into contact with pedophiles. 

They aren't mature enough to understand everything about it. As stated, in puberty they'll eventually get there though. It's best not to interfere with that process.

Turncoat said:

I think it's healthy to have porn at a young age, speaking as one who began watching it pretty much the minute erections started happening at like... 10 years old?

Nudity is entirely natural, and in our modern society we've been conditioned to even fear the naked form! Back in history before we crafted culture to defend those small of dick and weak of muscle, clothes were purely a matter of aesthetic and warmth.

People who watch porn have more familiarity with the naked form, and therefor are less shocked and awed by it. I'm less likely to end up fucking some random person who drops their clothes unexpectedly than you are (barring you shivering nervously, averting your eyes, and facing the wall like a total wuss).

With parents struggling to talk about sex, and with schools sex ed programs being god awful, it's up to porn to educate us. Just don't pull a Euphoria from HBO and assume women like being strangled and called your bitch and you're basically good.

To top things off, being with a porn-using partner makes it much easier to have mature discussions about the human condition, expressions made, aesthetics of the media, and even each other's kinks. You for instance have no idea what you like thanks to your tardiness in this study, while I can identify kinks out of other people quite easily.

You are seeing this as "disgusting" to the point of rendering yourself stupid. You should study porn if you want to understand your peers, your fellow man. It has much to teach that you won't find in a textbook or in Warhammer source material.

 Perhaps I should. 

Turncoat said:

So does any lifestyle. What, should people stop going for four year college degrees because that major's lifestyle might not be for them?

You're projecting dude, check Chatturbate and educate yourself.

 Point taken.

Turncoat said:

That's true of every profession, and I don't see shame in trying to survive through the means that comes most easily to you.

 It's still terrible and objectifying, and I'm aware it's true of every profession. The way modern labour works is alienating. 

Turncoat said:

And you've been projecting QUITE A LOT onto "the female species", as opposed to seeing human beings with boobs and babymakers.

 I don't view females as a separate species? I view them as being an oppressed side in a patriarchal society. 

Turncoat said:

What?

Why?

What's wrong with it?

Are you sure you aren't just responding to her seeing it as regretful, and that sense of shame has jaunted you towards excuses and justifications for your shock?

 It seemed like it was just a selfish means of satisfying ones own needs. 

Turncoat said:

I think it makes you cringe from how you're 4/5 the way to relating to them.

"I'll never join youuuuu" - Luke Skywalker

 What aspects do I have in common with them? They view women as sluts who whore for good looking guys, and that prostitutes should die, and that women should be oppressed. They hold traditionalist values of how women should act and such. 

I believe in dismantling gender roles of society, and becoming human beings. I believe in unity. 

Turncoat said:

Considering who you are, if you can't remember what you two had in common what was the allure?

 The way we interacted at first was kind of nice. I knew we had things in common, I just don't remember what, then we started talking, found we both had depressed thoughts and such, and I guess that sealed it? Perhaps the relationship was a coping mechanism for both of our stresses and we both felt lonely?



Maybe there's a disconnect in our conversation. Maybe I worded something wrong? I don't know why you view me similar to incels.

Perhaps it's my isolation and disconnection from others that has caused me to malfunction in this way? I don't think I've ever been sexist or rude to females? I don't think I have any bias against them? Nor do I believe they need special protection either. I only seek to bring equality. 

I am obviously ignorant in aspects of this discussion, and I should try to do more research. I just never really thought of doing such. 


I guess my constant fuck ups with girls could've caused me to become like this? I don't understand what makes me like an incel. I still have some female friends, I made quite a bit in college, and was pretty chill with them. I'd even hang out with them. I got some female online friends that I talk to and treat like my other friends. 

I'm not saying this as like a token type thing. I'm just trying to understand what could paint me like an incel? My ignorance?

I don't know if this poses any significance but one of them confessed their feelings for me a few months back, and I rejected them, I'm still pretty good friends with them, I just viewed them more like a little sister that I would help out. Plus, they are a few years younger than me, so it's against my values. 

Chaotik said:

I am a virgin.

This explains a lot. 

I was pretty weird too until that part of me was stress tested with a nymphomaniac in college. It got me over a lot of weird shit and insecurities, unraveled a lot of "the mystery", and made me better at reading people's behaviors and motivations through the sudden room to relate to an entirely new aspect of human behavior. 

A week or so into near-constant sex clicked some kind of switch, an essential one. I dunno it made people make a lot more sense once that sort of body language and expression felt more obvious. I only had a semblance of understanding for it when all I'd had was porn, but holy shit what would the world even look like without even experience with porn? 

What education have you received about sex? 

A lot of what I'm seeing here is this idea that Sex is supposed to be bigger than Money. 

Why? 

Chaotik said:

Exposing children to pornography especially at a young age where they are still developing can fuck with their head, they can become addicted to pornography, seek it out online, and come into contact with pedophiles.

They aren't mature enough to understand everything about it. As stated, in puberty they'll eventually get there though. It's best not to interfere with that process.

A lot of why I am this mature about it is from young age exposure. It helped me trivialize the topic enough to see past all the suspense, and helped me take myself that much less seriously in the subject. 

It also as a topic of discussion made for some funny talks. 

Turncoat said:

What education have you received about sex?

 The last thing we were taught about sex is in general just puberty and upbringing, then were taught about how babies are made. Nothing else really, we had a health class but it didn't cover all the topics of sex. It was basic at most. 

Turncoat said:

Lets go further on this one.

At what ages does it become increasingly okay for pre-21s to have seen porn?

 I'd say 12 is where it'd start.

Turncoat said:

A lot of why I am this mature about it is from young age exposure. It helped me trivialize the topic enough to see past all the suspense, and helped me take myself that much less seriously in the subject.

It also as a topic of discussion made for some funny talks.

 With me I got exposed to pornography indirectly at the age of 9. 10 years old is when I actually started looking at it more and more and discovered the action of masturbation.

Chaotik said: 

Turncoat said:

What education have you received about sex?

The last thing we were taught about sex is in general just puberty and upbringing, then were taught about how babies are made. Nothing else really, we had a health class but it didn't cover all the topics of sex. It was basic at most. 

If your college offers it, I highly recommend taking a course on Sexual Psychology. It's the most thorough examination of the subject I've seen, adding quite a lot to the notes I already had. Seriously, it was an amazing class. Everyone should be made to watch porn through the eyes of a scholar, there's a lot of information in there. It even teaches essential exercises like kegal flexing. 

I'd also watched some porn with "The Arts Village" as a college Freshman, which more than expressed how pornography is actually quite the underrated art form. There was also a figure drawing class, which I highly recommend you looking into (even if you do it by yourself with online images, even if you're just looking at them). 

You however don't have these things, so I'd at least recommend looking into the porn industry and surrounding elements of it as your way of warming up to the subject. There's tons of interviews and discussions on the subject online, and once you have more of an idea of what you're looking for beyond "pleasure" will you see it for it's depths. 

The first step to progress in this area is learning to trivialize the nude form, to see it plainly for what it is without your own input. In porn it's a lot easier to notice things like music choices, production value, how well it's drawn if it's animated, all of that critique stuff once you aren't as blatantly awestruck by the human form. 

Watching porn without masturbating can be quite the learning experience. 

Turncoat said:

Lets go further on this one.

At what ages does it become increasingly okay for pre-21s to have seen porn?

 I'd say 12 is where it'd start.

So what sorts of damages do you think we've taken in from starting two years early? 

Turncoat said:

A lot of why I am this mature about it is from young age exposure. It helped me trivialize the topic enough to see past all the suspense, and helped me take myself that much less seriously in the subject.

It also as a topic of discussion made for some funny talks.

With me I got exposed to pornography indirectly at the age of 9. 10 years old is when I actually started looking at it more and more and discovered the action of masturbation.

Were you an "addict"?