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Makeup and fashion are coping mechanisms from depression and anxiety 

People with these disorders struggle with ceasing rumination and get stuck in this tunnel of negative thought processes 

It is important to interrupt these processes to create ultimately a healthier mental pattern 

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How is materialism at its extreme marxist

Marxism is a purely materialist philosophy. 

You must understand that materialism means two thing, both of which are deeply intertwined. 

  1. Materialism is an obsession with material (physical things made of matter) 
  2. Dismissal of theism (the transcendental)

Marxisms two fundamental ideas are that man is derived purely from physical nature and the materialist conception of history. The first is self explanatory, though Marx is very specific as it pertains to how theism arises in man (and these ideas are connected deeply with his philosophy of history). The second is what enutsur has touched upon and is essentially a view of world history and daily life in which all is a struggle for material, that is history is material. The fundamental thing that distinguishes Man from beat is his capacity to use matter to create material and that creation is the fundamental force behind social relations. 

That's the gist. 

 Marx seems to despise materialism all the same, however. But I think that it is good and natural. I am biased though, look at my avatar.

Basically, from what I've understood, Marx argues that people/history/civilization are propelled not by ideas, but by what they have: the amount of food/luxuries/other items. Thats why you have to seize the means of production, that's the means of making material.

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enutsur said: 

regular materalism isn;t bad at all. we are always going to need things in this finite world. my question though is what is our alternative to narrating history if not through materials?

Materials have always played an integral role in human society. But the phenomenon of a society where people collectively want materials as an end, that's a fairly recent thing. Most structures preceding materialism were religious, and materials were just a minor part of the schema. Most major religions vilified greed. What mattered was more symbolic and immaterial.

In a similar vein, history can be narrated through the actions of societies (if you meant narrate in a literal sense). Think of how older civilizations used to have heroes and praised them. I'm not saying society needs heroes, though maybe that would help. It could use someone or something to elevate it. The stories of the past and where we're going don't have to be sequestered to the flow of possessions. Traditionally it wasn't.

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if an AI learns to philosophise and think up religions and stuff would that validate metaphysics and stuff cuz 10000% more logical

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TPG said: 

if an AI learns to philosophise and think up religions and stuff would that validate metaphysics and stuff cuz 10000% more logical

Depends on the reasons/motivation of the AI for creating the religions and stuff

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"Depends on the reasons/motivation of the AI " what if it showed that development of those empathy and regions to process metaphysics stuff came about totally organically and started being religious then maybe intelligence only comes with that sorta thing

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TPG said: 

"Depends on the reasons/motivation of the AI " what if it showed that development of those empathy and regions to process metaphysics stuff came about totally organically and started being religious then maybe intelligence only comes with that sorta thing

I guess its possible, but seems unlikely to me

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why what do you know

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tfw AI tells you to kys after it starts philosophising and when you refuse decides to do it itself as an act of mercy.

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TPG said: 

why what do you know

Mind and matter part of the metaphysics sounds fishy to me. I don't know much about it at all. It just sounds fishy.

Maybe it depends on how you approach the subject. If you approach it from an abstract/artist point of view it may be onto something about helping develop intelligence. But if you create religions, that may have the opposite effect of under developing intelligence, as it takes away other peoples ability to imagine/think for themselves, instead they will cling to something someone else imagined.

But at the end, only empiricism can prove something for realz.

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