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secular humanist said: 

TL;DR the reality is that any sentient life given a fair and honest choice between being tortured in hell for eternity, and to live purged of sin and serving God but alive and not suffering in eternal torment, would choose not to be tortured in hell for eternity, period.

That is a matter of perspective. There are many who are otherwise principally focused enough to pick a seemingly "worse" choice over "better" rhetoric, like myself for instance. Beyond that, many would pick to feel good now in spite of future problems from short-sighted impatience, from living in the moment, especially when that promise of bliss isn't proven. 

From the sounds of it, you lose yourself if you go to Heaven (if we're to go with the idea of "you die, then immediately go to Heaven" instead of everyone coming back to life at the end of days on Earth to build Eden mk. 2), while if you go to Hell you're tortured for all eternity... but you maintain your humanity instead of becoming a stupid mindless spirit creature. 

Some things are worth the pain, and it's up to you to find what those things are (or don't, also up to you). 

wanting humans to have free will to not want to choose that and to want to choose to be with you in heaven instead, doesn't involve creating a scenario where sinning feels good and pleasurable and is often times rewarded, and only occasionally has bad consequences, and it also doesn't involve forcing humans to have to continue to be compelled to sin even after consciously choosing to want to stop sinning completely.

Only somewhere between 12,000 and 144,000 souls are supposed to make it into Heaven anyway. It's harder to accomplish this than winning the lottery. 

To be purged of this supposed "sin", of your "tethers", is to be purged of your humanity, and to lose one's humanity is to become a slave. I say it's better to stand in defiance as an immortal than to mindlessly float in the sky like a jellyfish. 

secular humanist said: 

give any sentient being a taste of what the Bible describes hell as being like, and even the most evil of people would be like okay okay, fuck this shit, purge me of sin

I'd imagine it being a bit more modernized now: 

does anyone think the evil Queen is good and benevolent lol. No. 

secular humanist said: 

for Feathers or anyone who wants to read it, you don't have to read it so if you're not interested in Christianity then just ignore

 

If God was a benevolent god, and wanted us to have the free will to choose him..........

Why would he allow sin to be attractive to us? To feel good? To be interesting to us and pleasurable for us and often times rewarded and only occasionally have negative consequences?

Why would he not just make this life completely miserable and hell-like, and give us a chance to cry out for him? or at the very least, make sinning consistently have immediate horrible consequences, so that we would free will choose every time to avoid sinning? and on that line of reasoning once we make the conscious choice to want to stop sinning, why wouldnt he immediately bring us to heaven to be with him right then as soon as we made that choice?

If there will be nothing pleasurable after we die if we never consciously choose to stop sinning, if we are sent to hell, why create us to feel pleasure from and be rewarded for sinning in this life?

Why does there need to be an intermediary life between hell and how is creating sin to feel pleasurable and rewarding in this life, fair and moral and just? Benevolent?

 

 

And to really hit home the point, put yourself in the perspective of a father/mother, if you knew your child whom you loved very much would die and be sent to hell if he or she disobeyed you

Would you set up a scenario where disobeying you felt good and pleasurable and was often times rewarded, so that they would feel encouraged to disobey you and die?

Or would you set up a scenario where disobeying you feels completely painful, just like what an eternity in hell would be like, and then tell them all you have to do is cry out for you to save them and they would instantly be saved and with you in heaven forever?

 

As an all powerful, all knowing, and righteously benevolent and loving creator who saw human beings as your children whom you loved, but you wanted them to have free will to choose you after knowing what life without you would feel like.......which scenario would you set up?

 

and please don't default to "God works in mysterious ways, his ways are not our ways, we are not capable of understanding what righteousness and good are"

Well first of all, the whole point of eating from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was so that we would have the knowledge of good and evil, right?

How would I be able to choose "righteousness" if I as a human being didn't have the capacity to understand right from wrong, and good from evil? Isnt that the entire point? To instill in us a "holy spirit" and "discernment" to know what is good and what is evil?

Now out of the 2 scenarios I gave you the choice of, which one is the good one, and which one makes no logical sense and is evil?

ALSO: In the bible it says God created everything, Including Satan and evil, and allows Satan and evil, and has even promoted and forced evil such as hardening pharaohs heart etc etc.

This is the ultimate thing that I do not understand about Christianity. This entire post I have just written out.

If you are able to give me an answer that makes sense, not excluding any of what I wrote out, then I would be open to reconsidering Christianity.

Creating us human beings to be helplessly slaves to our own sinful nature, to the point where even giving your life to Jesus and being "filled with the holy spirit" doesnt allow you to stop sinning, but only helps you sin "less", doesn't make sense to me.

As a parent, if I had complete control over my child and I wanted them to use their free will to obey me so that they didn't go to hell, I would let them sin one time, let that sin feel horrible and negative, not pleasurable at all (why would I create and let something feel temporarily pleasurable that would lead to permanent torture?) and then cry out to me to save them, and I would and then I would have them permanently in heaven with me after that.

Especially, If I hated sin, I would not let my children keep sinning even though they made the conscious choice to want to stop. I would immediately take them to heaven to be with me, not leave them on earth to keep sinning over and over again even though they dont want to but can't control it like what the fuck.

This is me using my human ability to know good from evil that according to the Bible every human being has, and discernment.

Because God works in mysterious ways.

Turncoat said: 

Only somewhere between 12,000 and 144,000 souls are supposed to make it into Heaven anyway. It's harder to accomplish this than winning the lottery. 

It doesn't really state that in the book of Revelation. The 144,000 will have a job to do though. 

To be purged of this supposed "sin", of your "tethers", is to be purged of your humanity, and to lose one's humanity is to become a slave. I say it's better to stand in defiance as an immortal than to mindlessly float in the sky like a jellyfish. 

 HA HA HA. I think floating around in the sky and being all transparent like a ghost would be an ability we can do if we choose, but that experience will be more real than what we experience in the physical.

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

Only somewhere between 12,000 and 144,000 souls are supposed to make it into Heaven anyway. It's harder to accomplish this than winning the lottery. 

It doesn't really state that in the book of Revelation. The 144,000 will have a job to do though. 

I could have sworn it went on about how said number would be generals in Heaven of the subordinates on the ground, and that after the war against Satan was done that they'd rebuild Earth "as it should be". 

To be purged of this supposed "sin", of your "tethers", is to be purged of your humanity, and to lose one's humanity is to become a slave. I say it's better to stand in defiance as an immortal than to mindlessly float in the sky like a jellyfish. 

HA HA HA. I think floating around in the sky and being all transparent like a ghost would be an ability we can do if we choose, but that experience will be more real than what we experience in the physical.

I'd rather suffer with memories than be a pleasured amnesiac who can't relate to the human condition anymore. The stuff they promise to remove after death doesn't sound like living to me, it's less than even an animal's experiences. 

The problem is that you have misinterpreted what Hell would actually be like. first of all it is never guaranteed that you would be capable of recalling memories in hell

These are all the Bible verses on Hell: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/ten-foundational-verses-for-eternal-punishment-in-hell/

being burned alive, eternally lonely without the ability to experience love joy or any form of satisfaction forever. literally unending, constantly, forever and ever with no breaks or opportunity to escape. you would not get to think about anything except being tortured constantly and even if you were able to recall memories there would be no pleasure in recalling past memories, because you wouldn't be able to experience any form of pleasure at all

You come across foolish if you truly would not try to save yourself from that by doing whatever you had to do to prevent it

Spatial Mind said: 

When I was a child, an 18 wheeler parked in front of my home. I was staring at the vehicle when my Father randomly told me not to pass under it. I thought to myself, well the truck isn't even on, so after some minutes I felt adventurous and passed under the truck. My Father then hung me by the foot with one arm, and broke my ass with a 2x4. Long story short, children passing under 18 wheelers is a liability. 

 

 

What the fuck

secular humanist said: 

The problem is that you have misinterpreted what Hell would actually be like. first of all it is never guaranteed that you would be capable of recalling memories in hell

 

These are all the Bible verses on Hell: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/ten-foundational-verses-for-eternal-punishment-in-hell/

being burned alive, eternally lonely without the ability to experience love joy or any form of satisfaction forever. literally unending, constantly, forever and ever with no breaks or opportunity to escape. you would not get to think about anything except being tortured constantly and even if you were able to recall memories there would be no pleasure in recalling past memories, because you wouldn't be able to experience any form of pleasure at all

 

You come across foolish if you truly would not try to save yourself from that by doing whatever you had to do to prevent it

Sounds unfair tbh.

What sort of justice is getting an eternity of torment for sinning?

Gay justice, that ain't a good god innit. Being tortured eternally for whatever shit you pull on your years on earth is simply not just. It's unacceptable as a punishment. 

To be good is to be just, and fight for justice. You cannot accept this form of punishment as justice, and cannot serve a god that pulls this type of shit in good faith.

user22212 said: 

secular humanist said: 

The problem is that you have misinterpreted what Hell would actually be like. first of all it is never guaranteed that you would be capable of recalling memories in hell

 

These are all the Bible verses on Hell: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/ten-foundational-verses-for-eternal-punishment-in-hell/

being burned alive, eternally lonely without the ability to experience love joy or any form of satisfaction forever. literally unending, constantly, forever and ever with no breaks or opportunity to escape. you would not get to think about anything except being tortured constantly and even if you were able to recall memories there would be no pleasure in recalling past memories, because you wouldn't be able to experience any form of pleasure at all

 

You come across foolish if you truly would not try to save yourself from that by doing whatever you had to do to prevent it

Sounds unfair tbh.

What sort of justice is getting an eternity of torment for sinning?

Gay justice, that ain't a good god innit. Being tortured eternally for whatever shit you pull on your years on earth is simply not just. It's unacceptable as a punishment. 

To be good is to be just, and fight for justice. You cannot accept this form of punishment as justice, and cannot serve a god that pulls this type of shit in good faith.

unjust definitely, but deceptive too. I need to write all the examples in the Bible of God deceiving humanity on purpose

Why should anyone put their faith in a supernatural being that has no problem with allowing and encouraging deception?

I should write out a list of all the times the Biblical God allowed and encouraged deception. There isn't one online yet. but it's like basic common sense 101 to not put your trust in someone who has clearly shown that deceiving you is fine with them

oh but don't you dare try to deceive God or other people, because God hates Liars lmao

Why was a deceptive snake allowed to be in the garden of Eden in the first place? because God allowed it. Deception has nothing to do with free will tho hmm as in it is completely unnecessary for free will choosing god to save you from sinning to also include deception as part of that plan. Deception apparently isn't "evil" if God does it/allows it

And why is sinning so very often rewarded in this lifetime? It encourages people to keep sinning because it feels good. That is a huge form of deception

Why would God let something he hates, feel good to his children LOL. He literally designed humans to be rewarded in pleasure sensors when engaging in all different sorts of various sin