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I didn't say "more", I claimed just as much. For every female superficial expectation you can find a male one without even having to do much digging. Jocks and bros are the obvious examples, but it isn't exclusive to just those. Many a man's expectation for what constitutes a good woman is superficial as fuck.

For both it often roots from a surface level understanding of what constitutes success. 

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no i meant more superficial as in relation with the degree i viewed male superficialness in,sorry i just cant articulate my thoughts

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no, the ruling power determines and maintains the norms. In patriarchal societies women's rights were stripped (if they even had any) and they had no influence to change things. Only changed in the last 80 years or so, and in many countries it hasn't changed at all.  

There have always been economic and social reasons for maintaining gender norms. The European witch hunts in the 15-18 centuries are pretty interesting to read about. They were essentially about the church appropriating wealth and property by deeming women land owners witches and burning them alive. Many other women who tried to practice medicine and birth control were also burned at the stake. The church didn't like women having reproductive freedom because they wouldn't be able to control them and they needed women as breeders to make workers and soldiers for their conquests. Today, centuries later, the RC church still struggles primarily with women and birth control. Why do you think that is? Abortion is one of the greatest sins to the RCC, considered murder even.  ... whereas pedophilia has been long practiced inside. Think about the political reasoning behind it...

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you could also think of it as a cultural reason and just their attempt to please god,after all if the higher power doesnt have a problem with pedophilia why should the people,its not aimed at oppressing women but just that perception is warped through a series of indoctrinations that cannot be unwarped conicidentally because of the  sole reason to understand things i.e in this case why men are more stronger and women more caring it would make sense that the woman must care for her husband to prepare(?) him for hunts etc which their lives were dependant on and could be offsetted by evolution itself

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you assume women are more caring but perhaps it's just another way women and men have been socialized to behave and to be perceived. Just like intelligence it is highly conceivable that both genders are equally caring.

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it would make sense if they were more caring (caring as in empathetic i.e to thrir offsprings needs etc) 

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Sure, babies are 100% reliant on their mothers to survive in nature and nature accommodated this problem by supplying massive hormone surges after birth to force women to bond. However, the millions of mothers that have had post-partum depression or mental break downs and as such killed their babies is interesting, as are the millions of orphans and kids in protective services because the mother didn't care. And what about all the men that raised their babies after the mothers died in child birth? They didn't have to but they had bonded and they cared to.  Idk,we assume so much about gender just because we have been socialized to but when you look at the facts behind the norms sometimes things don't fit. 

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How a woman responds to her own child is a bit different than how they might respond to everything else around them. 

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This is a good point too. A woman may see her offspring as an extension of herself, as in some ways it is, but this does not automatically mean she cares about anything else beyond the point of it benefiting her and her child.  

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