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Is the cynic actually tougher?

The length of a livelong goal isn't really relative to accomplishing that which you've always wanted. 

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Maybe I should start a thread on emotional masochism. 

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You may be confusing the motivation. The act of martyrdom itself is the goal. The person it's accomplished for could be inconsequential. 

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I wonder if they are just doing it because they just don't want to live without the other person. I mean they think it would be better than the heartbreak that comes with seeing someone die.

 

I think most people want to die before their partner will die. It sounds all nice and righteous. I think it might just be that they don't want to deal with the loss.

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LOL I like the way you roll. :D

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I reckon being open is worth all the fucked up misadventuous disaster that goes with the territory.

Coz ultimately life is really, really long and then, suddenly, not long enough. And you're stuck on a floating rock in space (for zero apparent reason), and the coffee is overpriced, and there's guaranteed to be a screaming baby when you're hungover on a plane, and your super-motivated, green-tea-drinkin colleague will corner you and wax lyrical about how he climbed Mt. Kilamawhatever in Africa and got a bullshit spiritual vision, and you'll smile and nod and say you've been up to "nothin much" which means you jerked off in the shower, got really high, ate a family sized pizza and thought Inception was a documentary.

And when you die, none of it will have mattered anyway.

So why not fall in love and trust the wrong people and paint your apartment bright orange and get a strongly worded letter from the body corporate? That whole Buddhist "rid yourself of attachments to achieve Nirvana" shtick will probably spare you a lot of pain, but the pain is worth it.

Ultimately, with 80 unexplained years on a space rock, what the fuck else is there to do?

Also sorry for the fact that this turned into a weird rant but i think my point is hidden in there somewhere..? 

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Oh I was assuming the person was dear and loved.

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A smart attitude would be to expect the best and be prepared for the worst.

Both people who are too open/trusting and people who see the world in dark colors are unable to appreciate people and situations right. They lack nuance and subtletly. The first kind get fucked over often, the second kind miss out on opportunities and experiences. The first can gain a lot but risk losing what they have, while the second don't gain much. Depending on the situation either can be better/worse off than the other.

Almost always, people who can't read well other people fill out the gaps by projecting their own self onto others. I would rather trust and make business with someone open than a cynic. However, in my experience, cynics are more intellectually gifted overall while the more open type are often plain dumb.

Deep down, I think cynicism comes from some deep seated fears. Maybe it's like a wall to guard a weaker inner self unable to cope with betrayal and adversity. However, it is in the nature of man to want someone to trust and be close to, and when cynics do that and open themselves to someone, they hand that person a lot of power over them. Their trust is more meaningful and valuable to them. If they misjudged, they can get way more hurt than the more "open" ones and with shittier consequences, mentally.

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I find cynical philosophy profound, it was his dim view of his fellow man that formed the modern anglic word.

He looked to a better, less bullshit future.

A too frequently overlooked philosophical school.

The modern use of the word irks me.

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