Meanwhile, Sanders' best & brightest:
Defiance stated: source post
the fact that your economy is shite and lots of ppl are very, very poor.
i.) That poverty you speak of is the legacy of almost half a century of state-communism, which will plague the region for some more time to come. Those central european countries were on par with (Or, in Czech’s case, well ahead of) their average “western†counterparts prior WW2. The collapse of state communism eft Hungary with a debilitating amount of debt, most of which were taken on on Soviet behalf.
ii.) Post ’89, the communists were voted into government intermittently, thus they proceeded to rob & bleed the country dry even more. (It was during one of those terms back in 1999 or so when i said “Fuck this shit - some people will never learn†and packed up the family on a train, in utter disgust of my fellow electorate.)
iii.) The EU membership looted even some more, destroying whatever meagre industry / agriculture / infrastructure survived the communist era.
iv.) The last socialist government (preceding the current govt of Orbán) looted up another record amount of debt, thus landing the country in bankruptcy. Which they pretended to fix with:
- - extreme austerity measures, and
- - taking out a € 20 bn IMF loan.
v.) Fast forward, the commies got booted out at last.
vi.) The current, democratically elected govt. paid back all the IMF debt well before schedule, and without introducing any austerity measures. (They just put a plug on the looting.) Then they booted out the IMF / WB of the country. Took back the finances where they belong to - the National Bank. Hungary has the third consecutive year of steady economic growth. Which growth is passed down on the citizenry in various forms, like family policies etc. Thing are looking rather positive.
Yes, it took 20-odd years to shake off the rotting stench of communist administration, but never say never.
vii.) see as above for Poland, perhaps even worse. (They had a rather nasty infection during the last two or so terms.)
Defiance stated: source post
Because the relations between different groups in Hungary are so good
viii.) The Gypsies, you mean? They are several (at least 4 or 5) Roma ethnicities unto themselves, all with distinct different languages / physiques, these days by & large associated with criminality and welfare leeching, yet full of merit. They were majorly screwed over by the communist “assimilation†programme over many decades. See how it all pans out in a democracy now, for the first time. They are part & parcel of the European fabric.
But they are only one ethnic group among the many. I could reel off at least a good dozen of ethnic minorities within current-day Hungary, off the tip of my tongue. The relations between all those are pretty splendid.
Defiance stated: source post
Lol, that site
ix.) “lol that site†is as of now the one current reliable independent news site, featuring big-name prized journalists such as Delingpole, Khassam, O’Neill, Waters & so on. Increasingly the MSM’s go-to source, regarding current events. BBLondon blew the lid on the Cologne NYE and its state-ordered media blackout first - among many other news items you will not likely encounter on the PC-controlled channels.
Which cave do you live in, again?
Defiance stated: source post
Wow, such an emotional reaction.
x.) Wat?
Defiance stated: source post
You should learn to be more feminine or ppl will think you're a nutter.
xi.) Megawat?
Edvard stated: source post
It's also physics. Moving atoms naturally tend to mix with each other in the air and water. You need energy to keep them separated.
Edvard.
Stick with kickboxing.
Thank you.
(Maybe one of the younger kids with more time / patience on their hands will drop by & kindly explain you the very basics of entropy/ectropy, systems, homeostasis, metastasis, evolution, devolution etc. for dummies.)
Mo Fo stated: source post
Edvard stated: source post
It's also physics. Moving atoms naturally tend to mix with each other in the air and water. You need energy to keep them separated.
Edvard.
Stick with kickboxing.
Thank you.
(Maybe one of the younger kids with more time / patience on their hands will drop by & kindly explain you the very basics of entropy/ectropy, systems, homeostasis, metastasis, evolution, devolution etc. for dummies.)
No, come on, indulge me. Are you even arguing against my point? What have I said that was against the notions you mentioned. On a larger scale, keeping groups of people isolated by common criteria is against the natural tendency of the system. Globalization is inevitable. Uniformization is inevitable even if loss of languages and cultures is a pity. Nowadays, distances don't matter much when you can be on the other side of the planet in 20 h. Cultural exchanges have always happened, languages and traditions always mixed up into melting pots. You have to be extremely blind not to see that the whole world is turning into a melting pot. Some people just keep desperately dipping their hands in the mixture believing they can separate the molten metals, but this can only bring burns and disappointment.
Mo Fo stated: source post
Defiance stated: source post
the fact that your economy is shite and lots of ppl are very, very poor.
i.) That poverty you speak of is the legacy of almost half a century of state-communism, which will plague the region for some more time to come. blah blah blah historical excuses
So only Hungary's state is justified by historical causes? You think other countries have had their destiny entirely in their hands? The current state of each and every country and society in the world is dictated by the past, and people born in those parts just inherit a situation they have little control over. There's a lot of luck and chance involved in history, and unless you believe there are significant biological differences between people it doesn't make sense to look down on other nations and cultures for the way they are. Societies and cultures you look down upon struggled with poverty for a long time, and not always by their own making. The rich arabic countries became so overnight because of the oil resources, but aspects of their society are still perceived as "backwards" by western civilization standards.
However, given enough time instead of more reasons to hate, the tendency is to embrace the "western values" when coming in contact with them, which is closer to a loss of values (which has been criticized as well). The tendency of all religion is to fade out eventually as living conditions improve. As people are forced to interact, as they make ties with each other, they are forced to become tolerant and overlook their differences to work together. The foundation of the USA is a good example of this process imo, and a large part of their success. To those who see things this way, bigots such as you are the biggest threat to the western society and future. And I'm not saying there are bigots on just one side.
Mo Fo stated: source post
And now a pub quiz trivia challenge:
Name one country on earth which ever benefited of a socialist (communist) regime.
QuantumKaos stated: source post
booting out the muslim horde
The whole post was cringing as fuck, but I have to ask. Do you mean even the simple muslims practicing their faith in peace? Or not even being religious, but still identifying as muslims the same way most christians do? People like that exist, you know. Maybe not inside the 4 walls you seem to be shut in, but they do exist and are valuable members to society. Professors, doctors, lawyers, artists, chefs. Do you boot them too? If not, where do you draw the line?
Also, how would you feel if all the muslim-dominated countries booted all the christian hoards from their midst? They could even use the "Southern Baptist Church" freaks to throw shit on the entire Christianity, since this is more or less your thought process. Do you want countries to become islands of different religions? Lmao, yeah, that would surely lead to progress instead of deepening religious brain-washing.
Is any of you willing to address these issue or engage in more babbling dellirium instead?
Spatial Mind stated: source post
The racist groups like Donald because he exercises freedom of speech and they perceive Trump as racist the same way anti Trump supporters do.
A flipside of the 'horse-shoe effect', it seems?
I notice there's a quite sizeable group of Trump supporters across all ethnicities / colours - how does the politbüro deal with those, do they all get tagged as Uncle Tom, or just silent embarrassed denial?
Tony, your family comes from Trinidad. They were immigrants at some point, like parts of my family. You have family who left for the US in their lifetime who are Trinidad immigrants there right now. How you can be so ignorant of the consequences of what you want to happen amazes me. You can't get out of your narcissistic self absorbed head and see how unfair and ridiculous this "anti -immigration" is.
Also, regarding criminality and USA immigrants, what do you have to say about this? One article of many similar ones on google.
Immigrants are Less Likely to be Criminals Than the Native-Born
Higher Immigration is Associated with Lower Crime Rates
- Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized immigrants more than tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million.
- During the same period, FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48 percent—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Likewise, the property crime rate fell 41 percent, including declining rates of motor vehicle theft, larceny/robbery, and burglary.
Immigrants are Less Likely than the Native-Born to Be Behind Bars
- According to an original analysis of data from the 2010 American Community Survey (ACS) conducted by the authors of this report, roughly 1.6 percent of immigrant males age 18-39 are incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of the native-born. This disparity in incarceration rates has existed for decades, as evidenced by data from the 1980, 1990, and 2000 decennial censuses. In each of those years, the incarceration rates of the native-born were anywhere from two to five times higher than that of immigrants.
- The 2010 Census data reveals that incarceration rates among the young, less-educated Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan men who make up the bulk of the unauthorized population are significantly lower than the incarceration rate among native-born young men without a high-school diploma. In 2010, less-educated native-born men age 18-39 had an incarceration rate of 10.7 percent—more than triple the 2.8 percent rate among foreign-born Mexican men, and five times greater than the 1.7 percent rate among foreign-born Salvadoran and Guatemalan men.
Immigrants are Less Likely Than the Native-Born to Engage in Criminal Behavior
- A variety of different studies using different methodologies have found that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to engage in either violent or nonviolent “antisocial†behaviors; that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be repeat offenders among “high risk†adolescents; and that immigrant youth who were students in U.S. middle and high schools in the mid-1990s and are now young adults have among the lowest delinquency rates of all young people.
If democracy is implemented with a dose of independence, education and sanity really, then it can work, yes.
But i was referring to how it usually is, on average and in general.
No, i meant xenophobia :P But it is not like super or anything. its just enough to make you question things.
But we are even less tolerant to islamists, due history and Turkey.