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Learned Helplessness


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It's not too specific, but it can be generalized as I'm playing a game, where every move means failure. 

Example, be in two places at once, or face punishment. I can only choose to be in one place, and soon find myself punished. This is a normal occurrence among other things.

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http://www.britannica.com/topic/learned-helplessness

So talking to my therapist I learned I am on the edge of learned helplessness, I have it in some ways, but fully delved into it would make me completely nnihilistic. This can lead to irreversible damage. I will continue researching to topic, perhaps to help others identify what causes it, how to see the signs, and how to avoid it.

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Perhaps that is the key to freeing myself,  but maybe also that I need some "victories" in my life. 

Note I am not yet in the state of conditioned helplessness, rather I'm starting to walk a thin line and may soon feel myself trapped.

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Huh?

This guy (Sam) is crippled by learned helplessness.

I'm not seeing it with you.

 

 

Yes. Do your homework.

I'm not presumptuous enough to try to do your therapist's job.

But do take the initiative to get a working knowledge of this jargon for yourself, so you'll know your own mind well enough that nobody can try to tell you how you ought to rearrange your head for them. Your therapist is there to help, so make sure you lead her in the right direction.

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Very interesting.  However, nihilism has certain flavors to it.  This seems pessimistic or deterministic or negative.  One could see purposelessness as inevitable and inescapable, "so why bother?"  Or, find the ultimate form of permission to do whatever they wanted, since there's no real culpability if there is either ultimate determinism (how could anything be your fault, when it's simply symptomatic) or ultimate indeterminism (relativism makes nearly an moral stance arbitrary).  I guess I see it simply as the freedom to write your own rules for yourself.  You can dig to the core of yourself and see how you untangle yourself from the strings that tied you up in development, while finding a way to navigate with the innate stuff you have as hardware to work with.

This "Learned Helplessness" seems like someone getting stuck in the detanglement stage and ends up getting further tangled -- kind of like believing your own propaganda.  If you can see it's yourself placing these beliefs and you're in control the whole time, there has to be some cracks to break you out of it there.

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oh shit. this is probably one of the things that pisses me off the most in people, but i try to understand where it might come from. i guess it depends what you learned to be helpless with..do you know specifically where it seems to come up from you?

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Well, I hope you find the way out for yourself!  It is a road for self-empowerment, if pursued earnestly. :)

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So it's not that you have certain limiting beliefs since childhood, it's that you think you might be acquiring them? What would be the episodes, that might've started the decline?

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It can lead to just tolerating things like maltreatment. I'm getting close to that point,  doing what I can to avoid it.

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ohhh ok. i was thinking of someone letting others treat them like shit (or worse) because they're used to it. it's great your open to the prospect of things like this though, it's all up to you where you go from here. how cheesy do i sound :D

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