Some people will curse you for pulling them out of the matrix.
Edvard stated: source post
How the hell can she mess with people/follow some hidden agenda if she leaves like she said she would, mm? I explained it clearly enough, twice, that talking about ULTERIOR motives involving tricking people here into the "dangers" of flattery implies her not leaving the site in the first place in the manner she said. You don't have to say smth to make it obvious, Crow.
She might not really leave's the thing, and I'm pretty sure that she's mentioned plans of returning. Already right there is room for said "hidden agenda" if that were truly the motivation.
Beyond that, "pathological lying" doesn't always need a direct motive. Compliments are a weapon, and she strikes me as smart enough to recognize how to use it. I can't speak for her motivations, just how what she's posted appears to me and what could be done with it. It could be as simple as a means of trying to be more well liked, it could be social padding for the sake of the future, it could be that the compliments are so contrived from compliments not being a natural thing for her... it could mean a list of possible things. She strikes me as complicated enough to have more going for her than what appears on the surface, and I figure why not dig a little when possible clues present themselves?
"Hypocrisy is the contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinationsâ€
I figured that it was closer to saying one thing and doing another, not anything about virtue or goodness. It'd be like if I was saying that "long posts are bad, no one should do them" in the form of a long post. I guess I'll need to find a new word.
Unable to continue arguing against my point, you go ad hominem trying to shift the attention on me and discredit my point by saying I only made it because of personal ego-related issues.
I mean... the brunt of your arguments have been showing a different pattern since then. You usually handle yourself better than this. It may not be your aim, but it has the appearance of affecting how you're typing and who you are and aren't paying attention to. You missed these for instance:
Cadaver stated: source post
Everyone is clever and intelligent. But today's horoscope say I'm always searching for happiness...
Except meaningful fulfillment and goals are more important to me then short term happiness.
I hate horoscopes
Sun Puddles stated: source post
Sun Puddles; Clever, funny and cunning. I respect you wholeheartedly.
Is this the sarcasm again? :p
I can see what crow means by "bullshitter", and I'm sure some of these are honest/true, but forgive me if I also don't believe it as we haven't actually talked- polite hellos/goodbyes don't really count as talking- I think the most we spoke about was my not understanding sarcasm at times~ (4 whole lines in chat!) and both agreed on the kid pic thing. Outside of that, I'm not sure why you'd respect me wholeheartedly or think I'm clever/funny or cunning (â†lold at that.).
But thanks anyways ~
You may want to step back for a little and collect yourself, as you're taking a situation where Haart's being questioned and turning it into something more personal. As opposed to showing that you aren't affected through saying "No U!", you ought to try doing it through your tone, through example instead if you want it to appear more believable. You seem a bit... triggered honestly.
Where did I make disclaimers about my own intelligence, though? I don't think I'm stupid at all.
From what I've seen, it's not so much "stupid" so much as that you're humble enough to admit when someone else might do a better job.
I'd say the "snob targeting" notion is closer to targeting narcs, which I mean, hey, it's difficult to resist certain narcs.
The fuck? Your posts are way longer than mine, people are way more likely to lose focus and just nod in agreement to the stuff you say, than to mine.
Both of you guys are tome-ing pretty hard, but as is apparent with how long my posts tend to be I don't see a problem with that personally.
Edvard stated: source post
TheCrowOnTheFence stated: source post
And now he's not even trying to deny that he's treating us as one person, because it's easier for him. Certainly you can see how absurd that is?How come Inky feels the same if it's that ridiculous, then?
About that:
Inquirer stated: source post
If he's doing all of that then yes, I agree it's hampering you. Both of you. All three of you. (English really lacks a plural form of 'you', by the way)My take on it was simply that you often appear a unit (by way of using similar and supporting arguments etc.) and so bunching you together for simplicity did seem rather natural.
He's actually backpedaling from that initial point, seeing how it could be a problem now.
When you don't and I do one of you injustice, feel free to point it out.
Injustice is a bit of a strong word for something like this, and she's been pointing it out a fair amount already. We've both expressed that, while both questioning Haart related to this, that we're coming at it from different angles. Lumping us together in this case serves to make it into some weird third argument.
Also, you don't see a problem with making a huge post with pretty colors trying to prove how my arguments don't hold water
So now the use of color is setting you off?
You can't be serious, that was just for easier readability.
I am here fucking googling latin phrases, and I don't even like debating with you.
This says more about you, if you ask me.
Inquirer stated: source post
And why is that? The impression I got was that you (both you and TC) had a reason to suspect it to be insincere, since it was your spontaneous response and you seem to have known her best. It does not have to be a conspiracy, or malicious of any kind, and I wouldn't be surprised if Haart lied about a thing or two over the course of her stay, but her character did not strike me as 'full of shit'. Since this is based as much on how you said it as what you said, it's entirely possible that I've misjudged your (both of you) tone of voice. TC has a way of sounding mysterious even when he's being mundane.
Edit: I missed your reply to a chat reading puppet, saw it afterwards. If you don't have a reason for thinking she's insincere then I guess I simply saw something that wasn't there.
If he's doing all of that then yes, I agree it's hampering you. Both of you. All three of you. (English really lacks a plural form of 'you', by the way)
My take on it was simply that you often appear a unit (by way of using similar and supporting arguments etc.) and so bunching you together for simplicity did seem rather natural.
Well I wouldn't go so far as to say I have no reason for thinking so. Only that I have no basis currently on which to assume a motive.
My impression comes from many little things (no one of which by itself is enough to assume, but all together, they're quite enough for me). The first is that knowing Haart from days when she was a less talented liar has set a precedent. It was frequent and almost always purposeless. A whimsical diversion, I suppose. Also, as Turncoat pointed out, it reads like a horoscope. Vague, impersonal, barely grazing the surface, and rather generous, especially for someone like Haart. As I said to TK, I never trust anyone who flatters everyone. Look at that list, it's just.... too much. Even irl, I would be suspicious of motives, if someone was doling out such flattery like candy. Here on SC, it becomes far less believable. Haart and I have spoken of her tendency towards cheerful and harmless bullshit, and she seems rather on the same page I am. When it comes up, she'll either admit to it readily, or dance around it in a playfully transparent way. (Personally I find it charming, which is why I laughed at the list, rather than taking an aggressive accusatory tone with her.) Knowing the people on that list as I do, much of it also reads as something they'd want to hear about themselves. Another red flag, when it comes to any form of flattery. While I do believe that Haart is the type to find whatever goodness and usefulness there may be in a person for her own benefit, I don't think she's the type to gush over people, unless it's a social tactic. It just doesn't align with the rest of her personality.
What does however, is posting a list of flattering bullshit, just for some whim of an agenda. Someone else theorized that she wanted to leave on this note to improve her welcoming committee when she returns. Personally, I doubt she'd care quite that much. My best guess is that this is an amusing little social experiment for her. And I bet she's rather pleased with the results. XD
"(English really lacks a plural form of 'you', by the way)"
I'm aware. English is missing a few fundamentals, but we have lots of useless bullshit to make up for it. Bit of a clown of a language really, but I love it. XD
Turncoat stated: source post
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Inquirer stated: source post
TC has a way of sounding mysterious even when he's being mundane.I'm mysterious?
Alright. I won't try to deprive you of the victory of being sometimes not mundane. XD
Edvard stated: source post
Crow
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hahahaha Hot damn. XD
So Crow gave up and you're taking the stuff I wrote in reply to the stuff SHE said to me, and answer to it from your own perspective? And you blame me for making a salad and hampering the argument.
Turncoat stated: source post
She might not really leave's the thing
So while Crow kept saying "Oh I simply called bullshit to the list, just the list", you agreed with me when I replied "You can't talk of ulterior motive, if you think haart was genuine in her leaving this site." You should have explained it to Crow then, she had a massive hard time getting that part.
I figured that it was closer to saying one thing and doing another, not anything about virtue or goodness.
Well Crow didn't. ("As for your theory that Haart is just a terribly polite person who adores and admires us all.... well you're welcome to it, I suppose. ; )")
I'll give you this though. You are much better at arguing than Crow is, you see what needs to be addressed more easily and do that more on point, with fewer mistakes (purposeful or not) in arguing. You should replace her entirely in debates for both your sake, imo.
It may not be your aim, but it has the appearance of affecting how you're typing and who you are and aren't paying attention to. You missed these for instance
Did being called a "traitor" Luna-style and dragged into that "hanging of the Judas" bullshit when you all knew how much I care about preserving the community piss me off? Of course. Did Crow bringing that up repeatedly in this entirely different argument piss me off ? Yeah. That didn't make my points less valid. Out of Cad, Alena and Crow, Crow was the most aggressive towards Haart. I read the other posts as playful attempts at humor.
In case you haven't noticed, I argued perfectly civil at the same time in the thread about mental illness, which Crow abandoned after calling me an "overdramatic buffoon".
So now the use of color is setting you off?
Yeah, it was the color.
Fuck me, starting to think Crow’s issue with seeing through the points is contagious...
possum stated: source post
srs though... are you turning into turncoat?
have the two of you conjoined?
do y'all have espn or something?
Oh yes. We have profound ESPN. : )
WW3 stated: source post
You are pretty mysterious/complex. I've never gotten to know your personality well.
Why do you think that is? I've said a lot about myself here.