I've already said my history with others and experiments with myself a million times across my posts, and honestly, I don't have it in me right now to explain it again.
Maybe tomorrow, just not now. Sorry.
"and don't you self-medicate with zinc or something?"
It's a supplement of what's found in specific foods. As such there's no addictive symptoms.
I've also stated the possibility of it being a placebo. While it did help me without me knowing in advance that it would, it could have been a false correlation from the episode ending coincidentally afterwards. Still, it's reported to relieve stress, so it could be having a very minor effect.
"i don't even think you do know yourself TC."
And you do? That guess of my pre-Crow behavior is off. If you really want an accurate "Before [Name]" abbreviation, you'd be better off referencing The Sadist or the Ex-Fiance, as they actually did change me.
I don't recall ever being as nice as your guess about me pre-Crow to be honest, as even some of my pre-forum occurrences don't fit that perspective. While I aim to fit to the letter of rules and certain ideals, having others squirm isn't something I've shown myself to be against if given the room. In an effort to reinforce this point, I'll quote what Tryp recently said in another topic:
Tryptamine:
"The rules as Luna decided them state that if private information is posted, said person it pertains to has the right to have it removed. Pink adamantly denied that the information posted was her own, and so in accord with the rules, it was left up. What's the issue?"
So, at this point, what connection is there between Crow and I for the Pink drama beyond my having used her as a witness? I felt no need to be nice to Pink after seeing her fairly transparent tactics once I had word from someone who I could confirm that lived there, and even after that she still was given numerous chances, something that, by my guess, Crow may have found to be a waste of time. As I've stated to Ed in the past in an older topic, we aim to keep our real lives and forum drama separate.
"and the whole point of her influence/manipulation is that you wouldn't really be aware of it, to be boasting or having an opinion on it otherwise."
Influence can be measured when it comes to looking at your own past behaviors and tendencies. As is, I don't see it, but you're welcome to present proof of a relationship you can't even see. You're also welcome to try more guesswork, as so far a surprising number of users seem off-track.
Who knows, you might even get some of it right.
"i mean, i'm pretty sure i realized you were schizophrenic before you did so i'm a little more inclined to trust my own guesswork than yours."
That'd be nearly impossible, unless you had hidden cameras at my college or something and knew of me before I even joined Nabble...
"i'm also not arrogant enough to trust my own perspective wholeheartedly knowing i have issues which maybe you should consider from time to time."
How much of my post history expresses a lack of doubt in my own perspective? I thought I was the one who was known for being wary of everything.
Even my med perspective I've expressed doubt about before, but it's difficult for me to deny the combination of research, experience, peers, and lessons related to it. As is, I would need superior information that could break through those four things instead of simply changing my perspective from hearing someone contradict it without backing it up.
"you're confusing yourself with me again. you admittedly have an agenda with meds etc, but i have spoken in length with sin for no other reason than to help her, not had a bias view on how to advise her based on my own experiences but simply taken her as she is."
Of course you'd say that~
"and you have inadvertently just admitted that your comment about me not caring about sin was connected to my comment about you and crow."
I'm starting to think you're the one who's overconfident, as your answer is guesswork from lacking significant portions of data. I've seen your posts beyond those, and was taking those into account as well. Bothering to reference that was closer to showing a parallel of us both making declarative statements with the purpose of baiting the other into responding.
I mean even figure the user your account is meant to imitate, that fits her M.O despite the differences in writing style.
"also strange that you only decided to speak up about my supposed agenda with sin now, the same day(?) i commented on crow's influence on you."
I mean the topics were being discussed on the same day. You could just as easily blame it on the Alena drama, conversing with Spatial about the nature of humanity, or you could look around and see I've commented on my insomnia recently and blame that more likely culprit.
Either that or you can trust that I'll sometimes make statements in order to see what responses will follow, much like you've done as well (well, and poke at the insomnia, as I haven't been sleeping well for about a week now). It's not like you're the only user that I've ever expressed doubt towards or lightly challenged in a topic.
"i have been advising and talking to sin for weeks and you've said nothing."
So... is this suddenly about who Sin should appreciate more? Are you feeling possessive~?
I'm pretty sure Sin can share.
"furthermore, talk to me about my guess about your character being off."
You're free to ask questions, as I tend to work better off of others than just narrating things without a point to bounce off from.
"as far as i can tell, that's the sole reason for our entire discussion right now."
It's closer to having been conversationally pushed into a corner through statements that challenge, one where choosing not to respond would weaken my position while responding also lowers my defenses a bit. It's the gambit choice that has me better off after the fact despite both options playing into what you'd want on some level.
It's similar to some of Alterego's older tactics.
ok wow. i will now quote so you know what i'm actually referring to.
"It's better to give them the option than charge head first, and many will hit a "cry for help" stage when they are actually receptive to advice." - better according to who? and 'charging head first' isn't the only other choice to giving the option. the amount of assumptions you've made about me are quite shocking and inaccurate.
also, pointing out the dangers of medicating too quickly (which is a legitimate point) does not mean all medication is always bad and no one should ever be on it. maybe that kid who shot up the school recently would have been better off on medication lol. and don't you self-medicate with zinc or something?
"I don't. The only "influence" there's been is my being online slightly less. Knowing me, if there was more influence than that I'd likely be boasting about it." - i don't even think you do know yourself TC. honestly. and the whole point of her influence/manipulation is that you wouldn't really be aware of it, to be boasting or having an opinion on it otherwise.
"Some loose guesswork formed through observing your general behavior."- maybe there's a difference between your guesswork and mine. i mean, i'm pretty sure i realized you were schizophrenic before you did so i'm a little more inclined to trust my own guesswork than yours. i'm also not arrogant enough to trust my own perspective wholeheartedly knowing i have issues which maybe you should consider from time to time.
"Of course you wouldn't say "Yeah man, fuck her, let her die" as that'd undo anything that you have tried to do regardless of the goal, but how you'd respond would still yield something." - you're confusing yourself with me again. you admittedly have an agenda with meds etc, but i have spoken in length with sin for no other reason than to help her, not had a bias view on how to advise her based on my own experiences but simply taken her as she is.
and you have inadvertently just admitted that your comment about me not caring about sin was connected to my comment about you and crow. "I assume your bit about Crow and I was within the same range of tactics, as your guess about my character is a bit off." also strange that you only decided to speak up about my supposed agenda with sin now, the same day(?) i commented on crow's influence on you. i have been advising and talking to sin for weeks and you've said nothing. furthermore, talk to me about my guess about your character being off. as far as i can tell, that's the sole reason for our entire discussion right now.
"even if it is just a placebo effect." - i'll just let you mull this part over, although i do understand what you're saying, and i disagree.
"Charged head first" is a bit metaphorical in tone, but it's how I see it when compared to what I'd see as a less invasive approach. I'd rather give the option than force the conversation, especially when it's not really my business until it's posted somewhere that I can see it. - again, those aren't the only choices. i just messaged her asking some stuff, rather than being like 'TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR SUICIDAL IDEATION NOW'. it's nice to have someone objective to talk to when you're down. one major component of depression is apathy, making the person less willing to take the initiative to do anything, much less try and get help confiding in others..
"Uh... what? I think you're confusing me with someone else?" - lol, maybe i am with this in particular
"Related to who?" - mirage.
"Based on this point in my life right now, I'm a tad bit more confrontational at the moment in general." - why? insomnia? if so, what do you think is causing the insomnia?
"it's less personal than you're trying to make it out to be." - your comment 'you likely care so much' is what made it personal. i understand if that was aimed at who you assume to be a sugar imposter, but i am really her so i took real offense.
"i'll just let you mull this part over, although i do understand what you're saying, and i disagree."
There's not much to mull over, supplements and medications are not the same thing. A little research yields the differences. A doctor who knows a thing or two won't try to use something with actual hardcore side effects as a placebo.
"why? insomnia? if so, what do you think is causing the insomnia?"
It's more than that, but my insomnia tends to vary in it's duration based on multiple factors. It's been particularly strong lately alongside other annoying developments.
"i understand if that was aimed at who you assume to be a sugar imposter, but i am really her so i took real offense."
If you understand that it's aimed at an impostor, why would you take it as if it was directed at "you"?
Are you telling me you're actually offended?