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Sociopaths - Sense of loyalty?

 

by BELIAL

But can sociopaths like someone enough to want to remain loyal despite cash benefits of the betrayal? 

I think that has a lot to do with how good of friends they are, and the amount of cash you're talking about. What's the price tag on a friend's life? Some would do it for a couple thousand. You go higher up in the criminal world, and maybe half a million to a million is the price (sociopath or not).

I can see the offer getting turned down as well. And unless your buddy's been acting a little out of line, instantly you should start wondering why they want him whacked. And maybe if you're next? How good of buddies are you with this guy? How long have you worked together for? There are so many variables involved in this question that it's impossible to give it a straight answer.

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Sociopaths - Sense of loyalty?

Sure if theperson's got meat on you and its you or your buddy, kill the buddy.

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Sociopaths - Sense of loyalty?

 

by BELIAL

Sociopaths can kill without remorse, but quite often you see sociopaths form alliances and sometimes they don't betray each other despite there maybe being logical reasons to do so, e.g. profit.

Sociopaths can care for their families. We don't need proof of that. Animals, even the cold blooded ones, feel compelled to protect their young, but what about sociopaths and friendships/alliances?

I know a lot of sociopaths can be hitmen for hire, and will be loyal for cash...

But can sociopaths like someone enough to want to remain loyal despite cash benefits of the betrayal?

 

I don't think instincts to protect family can be counted as loyalty.

Loyalty to someone isn't easy and it requires sacrifice. Real loyalty implies having a conscience/morality (because you have to be fully convinced, in your mind, that being loyal no matter what is "right") and some lack of selfishness. I don't see sociopaths having those. As Cadaver said, they are untrustworthy, and the second they see a way to further their interest they'll go for it even if it involves stepping on anyone close to them. Sociopaths are by definition all for themselves, since their badly wired brains make others appear too disconnected from themselves to be worth sacrifices.

 

by Mirage

Loyalty acquired from money can be bought with more money.

A true loyalty is forged through mutual experiences, like collegues and such. When you know the person will get your back and they know you will too. No amount of money can buy this loyalty and only the people involved in it can break it. Get their backs they'll get yours even if that means getting beat up for them maybe one time you'll be in danger and they'll get you out for that one time you backed their ass.

Mutual benefits

I respect this thinking. But you're not a sociopath Toto.

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Sociopaths - Sense of loyalty?

"No amount of money can buy this loyalty and only the people involved in it can break it."

No amount can buy it in the form that it existed in, but enough money or offering them something grand enough certainly can break the bond that was forged.

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Sociopaths - Sense of loyalty?

"Still if you're being paid to murder them your lyal buddy is more likely to help you disappear and fake the deed."

More likely unless the one hiring you's prepared for that sort of thing. Depending on what they did and what the one hiring has on you, or if they expect a form of proof, self preservation or even a sense of what's right or wrong beyond themselves can become a portion of the deal's price as well. Saying "No" could be a bad idea in itself if something has the means of making you regret it.

Beyond contextual additions to the monetary price, it's rare to find a person with no price. If the person says "No", it's more likely that their worth hasn't been guessed yet. Even with this topic being about a sociopath's sense of loyalty, I'd say this translates fairly well across the board.

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Sociopaths - Sense of loyalty?

Still if you're being paid to murder them your lyal buddy is more likely to help you disappear and fake the deed.

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