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"Oh, me too."

Is this true?

"If you're saying you dont lie much and then say you often give modified versions of the truth your just contradicting yourself. Lying through omission still bears the same as fabricating lies."

I can understand how it can be seen as a contradiction, but leaving something out is not the same as lying.

"No, they aren't."

In a way they are. All of us might at this moment be believing things that aren't true. If we don't know it or never find out, it doesn't really hurt us. I want to know the truth and look for it, but maybe I will never find all of it. An example could be all the people who lived thinking the earth was flat. It really made no great difference in their lives. It's also certain that many of the things believed to be scientific facts today, will be proven false tomorrow.

"Then you don't have an issue with lying and are comfortable being a liar in action, you just have a problem with the label."

Yes I do. I find it offensive. Of course it's necessary to lie, but no one likes to be caught lying or seen as a liar.

"And why is this? To be honest that sounds a lot like delusion or you being very susceptible to it."

I explained it in an answer to another poster. One of them being that I sometimes first (in my head) go to the official version that's been repeated a lot.

"So, now you're just a liar. Ok."

Not really... Depends what it's about. When it comes to personal things that people ask about I have the right to lie. I think most people also do this to some extent.

"Stop lying to yourself. You can't say you don't lie that much and then state you give altered versions of the truth regularly."

I don't lie to myself as I've explained.

But it's true.

My mistake I read the first part as you saying you have a problem with liars.

"I can understand how it can be seen as a contradiction, but leaving something out is not the same as lying."

I remember using that excuse in grade school. You're still telling a lie by giving an altered, incomplete version of what happened. I'll let wiki handle it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Types        1.27

"An Omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore completely change the story."

"In a way they are. All of us might at this moment be believing things that aren't true. If we don't know it or never find out, it doesn't really hurt us. I want to know the truth and look for it, but maybe I will never find all of it. An example could be all the people who lived thinking the earth was flat. It really made no great difference in their lives. It's also certain that many of the things believed to be scientific facts today, will be proven false tomorrow."

Really not seeing it. With truths and lies it's pretty clear cut. If what you are saying is false(which you admit is) then it is not the truth. No matter how much bullshit you try to throw in front of it and whether or not people believe it.

"Of course it's necessary to lie"

It's really not, funny you look at it that way though.

"Not really... Depends what it's about. When it comes to personal things that people ask about I have the right to lie. I think most people also do this to some extent.

Not really? Lol If you lie on a consistent basis, which you inferred that you do ( "Of course it's necessary to lie") then that just sets it in stone.

"I don't lie to myself as I've explained."

Noted.

I came to some "profound" conclusions. The first one is pretty obvious.

If you believe what you say to be true you are not really lying, even if what you say is false.

If you believe something you've been told that is false, you haven't really been lied to if you never find out what you've been told isn't true.

This might not be True with a big T, but for all intents and purposes it is.

Edit: It should perhaps be in the latter statement: "you haven't really believed in anything false".

"If you believe what you say to be true you are not really lying, even if what you say is false."
That is true in the sense of reading people, since lying and being wrong are not the same thing.

"If you believe something you've been told that is false, you haven't really been lied to if you never find out what you've been told isn't true."
Wrong. Lying is an action, not a matter of if the information is true or false. Someone could lie to you by saying what they believe to be wrong when it's really correct just as much as someone could choose to not lie while spouting falsehoods from not knowing any better.

Lying is intent, not message. There's even tells for that sort of thing.

by Turncoat

"*If you believe something you've been told that is false, you haven't really been lied to if you never find out what you've been told isn't true."
Wrong. Lying is an action, not a matter of if the information is true or false. Someone could lie to you by saying what they believe to be wrong when it's really correct just as much as someone could choose to not lie while spouting falsehoods from not knowing any better.

Lying is intent, not message. There's even tells for that sort of thing.

What if the other person wasn't aware that they were not speaking the truth, as in the case of the other conclusion he described prefaced with an asterisk?

by Storm

But it's "true".

Please list the lies I tell.

Oh, just for fun if you must...

Please do indeed.  

ok, in this very post you told a lie by deception, in attempting to create the impression i called you a liar, and not a pussy lion.

First you need to grasp the fact that even a altered truth is in fact still a lie.

Second, When you alter the truth (lie) stick with it. As long as it is true to you. That is all that matters.