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How to get a job in Corporate America


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You're first mistake is sending applications. If you're applying for a job, than you're competing with a bunch of other idiots. The jobs you want are the jobs no one applies for.


Please put yourself in the shoes of a company owner. You receive a job application from individual A, and individual B comes in and tells you that he loves your company, and describes some great ideas in which he would like to help you improve your company, and make it even better, and would like to write you a proposal. Who are you going to hire? The idiot who expects to be told what to do, or the go-getter who literally just wants you to unleash them on your company?

Big corporations are ran by policy. This is because policy is the only way executives can manage managers. Managers of large corporations such as the ones you've described are not very smart. Their job is to follow policy by the T, and make sure the laborers do their jobs. The laborers are at the bottom of the food chain. They have jobs which are very repetitive, and require a small amount of thinking.

In American society, you have the following Castes:

Owners
Executives
Engineers
Managers
Laborers

If you are an owner, you're job is to get great executives with ambition.

Executives will have the ability to get things done. They will be self directed. No one really tells them what to do. They know what needs to be done. They wake up on their own, and they are motivated not by Money, but by the cause they have committed themselves. This could be their project, the company, etc. These executives are the people who care the most. Most executives have very high level degrees. Why? Not because they are smarter, but because they are willing to put up with a LOT of crap to achieve their goals. This is the level of dedication and ambition you need to be an executive in this world, and sadly, 90% of Humanity is not genetically or mentally capable of being a successful executive.

Engineers solve problems. They create. They are the genius of the corporate world. They might not be good with people, they might not be good managing themselves, they might not have ambition, but they have skill, and executives pay well for it.


Managers are your "enlisted non-commissioned officer" level of Human society. You get a bit of a title, but you're payed nothing, you're a minion of an executive, and your job is to follow policy, and make sure everyone else follows it to. Most people who are managers in this world.. are not very ambitious I'd say. They don't make much, and they don't have much say in corporate affairs. They are kinda jokes to me, but they live an easy life I guess.

You're labors are young people, and people who have no self confidence, or perhaps no ambition.


Any laborer can easily turn into an owner.
Step1: Pick a fun service you would like to provide for businesses.
Step2: Find businesses who will benefit from your service
Step3: Ask the business if they would be interested in a proposal
Step4: Write amazing proposal that shows your dedication, skill, and an amazing plan that will improve their company.
Step4: Show up on time, communicate with them effectively, make them feel important, complete your objectives, and invoice them.
Step5: Expand your client base until you have no personal time left, than begin to raise your prices.
Step6: Hire a minion, and start selling their time. Grats, you started a company, and expanded!

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How to get a job in Corporate America

"You're first mistake is"

trying to English?

"You're labors are young people, and people who have no self confidence, or perhaps no ambition."

Or immigrants just arrived and trying to build a better life for themselves, a mom who has returned to work after time out to look after kids, someone who missed out on education for whatever reason, someone trying to get back on their feet after some kinda setback in life, a kid saving up for college or travelling...

In any business and at any level you're going to get a diverse range of ppl who are there for different reasons. If you are the boss, it's maybe not realistic that you know them all personally and know about their circumstances, but you will get so much more respect if you are open minded and treat them as individuals, rather than lumping them into broad categories. 

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How to get a job in Corporate America

Thought i was going to open this up and see a picture of you blowing a dongus.  Damn! Guess not!

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How to get a job in Corporate America

Nice post!

 

I think you're on the spot, although people who do what they are told are also needed. In general, people with good presentation skills have an advantage. I've heard (no source) that one of the reasons males make more money is because they are more confident in asking for better pay and for a better job. There are also places which offer jobs only to people who do what they're told. If someone has a great idea, though, I'm sure some company will bite into it. In that, you are most definitely right.

 

The difference between working for a company to whom you've presented an idea and working the traditional way is that the company expects to see proper results from you. On one hand, you'll have more freedom (yay! I, for one, can appreciate this) but on the other hand your now highly expected idea needs to bear fruit. If your idea is bad and you don't know what you're doing, you're not in a good situation.

 

Anyway, yes, I think you are right. If you have a great idea on how to improve a company, you should definitely present it to them when you're trying to apply for a job there.

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 You receive a job application from individual A, and individual B comes in and tells you that he loves your company, and describes some great ideas

Can you just come in and talk to those people? Aren't they busy or smth? How do you get them to listen to you?

 

by Luna Prey

They wake up on their own, and they are motivated not by Money, but by the cause they have committed themselves.

 I'm no expert but I'm sure things aren't exactly this way XD

Anyway, you seem to worhip the executives and be sad that "90% of Humanity is not genetically or mentally capable of being a successful executive.", like you consider the rest of the world inferior. Not everyone is interested in being an executive. I'd hate a boring corporate life for example. I and many others have found other ways to satisfy my ambitions that are better suited for us as persons. Ambition is related to what one WANTS, you can't judge people's ambitions by what you want, but by what they want. Maybe a dumb laborer is a great gardener, or a great cook, or a great father.

Also I don't want to be insulting, but a lot of people would condemn your lack of ambition in learning to use "you're" and "your" correctly (kids learn that in primary school in some countries), or use better English in general. I assume you think that's not important. It goes to prove my point that ambition is relative to what each person considers important. I, for one, consider the entire corporate business stuff not worth any of my time.

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"You're first mistake is sending applications. If you're applying for a job, than you're competing with a bunch of other idiots. The jobs you want are the jobs no one applies for."
This is only true if you lack the minimum benchmark for experience, or if your experience is so over the top that they'd rather hire someone less experienced from figuring that they'll be cheaper to hire.

"Who are you going to hire? The idiot who expects to be told what to do, or the go-getter who literally just wants you to unleash them on your company?"

The "idiot". They'll fill a need and don't try to tell their betters how to do things. Sure there's the time and place for innovation, but there's more often than not people who just need someone who will plain do the job as it's posted. If they only hired people who were all presenting new ideas, the company'd become a think tank that gets very little done with next to no consistency, likely with a large amount of infighting from the sheer number of people all trying to say how things should be done clashing into each other at once.

There's only so much room for leadership.

"You're labors are young people, and people who have no self confidence, or perhaps no ambition."
To repeat the Bioshock quote again that sums up rather well what made Rapture fall, "These sad saps. They come to Rapture thinking they're gonna be captains of industry, but they all forget that somebody's gotta scrub the toilets." Those cogs are necisarry to keep things moving, and some laborers take pride in their role (especially if a self-run laborer).

I'll be adding more to this later.

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How to get a job in Corporate America

Making peeps feel important is the easiest thing in the world.

Say their name, they love it. Ask them about themselves. People love to talk about themselves, and if you show an interest in them, they will like you for it. 

Admire them. Agree with their ideas, compliment them, never criticize or tell them they are wrong. Make them think you think that they are awesome. 

Look at them when they talk. Give them attention. Laugh at their jokes. Ask for advice.

These are all easy ways to make people feel important.

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How to get a job in Corporate America

 

by Legga

Nice post!

 

I think you're on the spot, although people who do what they are told are also needed. In general, people with good presentation skills have an advantage. I've heard (no source) that one of the reasons males make more money is because they are more confident in asking for better pay and for a better job. There are also places which offer jobs only to people who do what they're told. If someone has a great idea, though, I'm sure some company will bite into it. In that, you are most definitely right.

 

The difference between working for a company to whom you've presented an idea and working the traditional way is that the company expects to see proper results from you. On one hand, you'll have more freedom (yay! I, for one, can appreciate this) but on the other hand your now highly expected idea needs to bear fruit. If your idea is bad and you don't know what you're doing, you're not in a good situation.

 

Anyway, yes, I think you are right. If you have a great idea on how to improve a company, you should definitely present it to them when you're trying to apply for a job there.

i'm not ignoring you.

thanks for agreeing with me legga!  we are two birds of a feather

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How to get a job in Corporate America

 

by Luna Prey

Edvard, my love, 

 I feel important now, even though I disagree with what you said haha

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How to get a job in Corporate America

Good stuff Luna.  How would you go about making them feel important?

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