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Mental illness if it's organic


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I'm not sure if I've ever done this thread...excuse me if I have. 

I find that people burn others at the stake for their mental illnesses especially if they have unpleasant traits. A lot of parts of me are undesirable to the other people I am around. Many people on these forums don't like me. For instance, ever since I was a child I have been very cold/distant and I have always lacked empathy and my parents were told at an elementary age it was crucial I join clubs and interact with other children (they did not listen though). 

As a toddler I was believed to have autism and ADHD. I still believe I have traits from autism, but I have never been diagnosed with it as an adult. 

I have recently had a doctor believe there is something organically wrong with me and suggest I see specialist in endocrinology and neurology when I can because he cannot find a reason for my asexuality and doesn't completely believe its psychiatric. (though he once did - he changed his mind I believe after he discovered I had tourettes)

I find that mental illness gets very little pity from the general public when negative traits are shown. It is not treated like another disease would be. But then there is the issue of where do we draw the line between organic illness and what you choose to be. 

I choose to be a loner because it is what I prefer. I don't consciously choose to be not empathetic, I just don't think that way. And I certainly don't choose to have a more dulled emotional spectrum either. I am in no way playing the victim and rationalizing my behavior but I am curious what your thoughts are.

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Tom Preston did it again

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I think that the word "abnormal" along with all of its connotations sums up how society feels about outsiders.

Society isn't exactly an accurate gauge for anything though, it just operates by popular notions.

A few generations back, slavery was the norm here in the States. And the ancestors of those plantation owners a few generations before them used to do some funny things, like put animals on trial. They would literally bring pigs into a courtroom and uphold them to the same standards of morality and justice as they did to their fellow men (and hang them if found guilty of serious crimes!).

Popular opinion isn't much more than a reflection of how the masses interpret the times they live in. And that really doesn't count for much. Live life how you want to live it, and don't concern yourself with the current social paradigm. If you feel you are out of balance, try to balance yourself. I don't think the DSM is a good compass to orient yourself, in fact I think it's mostly bullshit.

 

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That will soon change 

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You sure it's not just those that don't like you being squeaky wheels?

Can't speak for others but you seem cool to me, and like others I've likely never commented on that fact.

I didn't mean solely SC. I meant the others ones, pf & mhg. Some have accounts here as well. There is a ton of posts describing how much I am disliked by a lot of different people lol. For various reasons. Some people don't like my outbursts, some don't like the way I think, some feel I'm awkward, some a liar, some not smart, etc.

Tourettes? What's your display of it?

I only have one tic (since way back when I was a kid). For a very brief time I had two. I squeak like a mouse at the same time as doing a shivering sensation. I've never been officially diagnosed but I definitely do have tourettes. I am thankful it is mild.

Well yeah, people with mental illness are both seen as a safety risk and as less ideal for procreation. It's somewhat an unconscious response, one that lets crazy work somewhat like a people repellant.

So are people with chronic diseases especially children. In fact, in medicine the preservation of reproductive organs during treatment (like cancer) is desired? Why? We freeze eggs for teenagers with cancer so they can use them later. That's insanity to me. The faulty coding is still alive and well in those eggs. The person is defective and they would be dead without modern medicine. It makes no sense to me. Children with chronic diseases are genetic flaws and should never reproduce. Allowing them to naturally reproduce is just weakening our gene pool.

Technology and all these fertility drugs, artificial insemination..poisonous to our gene pool.

Disclaimer: I am only against childhood chronic disease for reproduction. I believe if you want up with cancer at 40, 50, etc that is just fine. Because humans aren't suppose to live forever.

Some even try to look crazy on purpose for that very reason, like Dr. Steel used to do for his music persona. The mold tends to break from trying to make disorders seem trendy, but the natural response is usually to avoid "crazy people" from not being a part of their ingroup (whee bystander effect).

Fucking musicians lol

Some do kind of treat certain disorders like they're plagues.

I think some disorders like autism, ADHD are favorites among the public because they've been shoved in our faces. Many parents of children with autism also push the fact that their children do not lack empathy. And sure, not every autistic child lacks empathy but some do. They cannot take that extra step for themselves and accept that their children do not feel their pain when they do something like cry. It's just a little step too far for them. Why? Autism is generally believed to be biological.

About you or organic disorders?

No not about me lol. Organic disorders and why the public doesn't view them that way

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"Many people on these forums don't like me."
You sure it's not just that those that don't like you are being squeaky wheels?

Can't speak for others but you seem cool to me, and like others I've likely never commented on that fact.

"(though he once did - he changed his mind I believe after he discovered I had tourettes)"
Tourettes? What's your display of it?

"I find that mental illness gets very little pity from the general public when negative traits are shown."
Well yeah, people with mental illness are both seen as a safety risk and as less ideal for procreation. It's somewhat an unconscious response, one that lets crazy work somewhat like a people repellant.

Some even try to look crazy on purpose for that very reason, like Dr. Steel used to do for his music persona. The mold tends to break from trying to make disorders seem trendy, but the natural response is usually to avoid "crazy people" from not being a part of their ingroup (whee bystander effect). Some people want the people repellant effect (usually either for solitude or a feeling of freedom), some people want "crazy" to be their excuse for repelling people, and others who are typically rejected will go towards the ones people avoid through relating to the experience and desiring easier company.

"It is not treated like another disease would be."
Some do kind of treat certain disorders like they're plagues.

"I am in no way playing the victim and rationalizing my behavior but I am curious what your thoughts are."
About you or organic disorders?

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"We freeze eggs for teenagers with cancer so they can use them later. That's insanity to me."
Selfish desire is much stronger than the needs of the species. Even those who are repelled by crazy are avoiding them for their own sake, and how they get over said repellant is based on their own wants and needs as well.

"Children with chronic diseases are genetic flaws and should never reproduce. Allowing them to naturally reproduce is just weakening our gene pool."
We stopped being about the gene pool a long time ago beyond the numbers game. While some other animals tend to show more defects or strange behavior when their numbers become too large as a passive way of thinning themselves, people instead seem to try to find ways to function within those flaws.

"Fucking musicians lol"
Cutters and wannabes with too much time at home flocked to him very quickly. His presence is still somewhat echoed at conventions (even though he's retired from it) through his appropriation of the whole "Steam Punk" motif. He even targetted people's love of nostalgia by saying he was the owner of a "toy factory" designed to "take over the world with toy soldiers". He promoted crazy as a form of freedom by discussing the benefits of stuff like talking to fire hydrants.

These are usually handed out by the fans.

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You bring up valid points. And that is why I think psychology is a load of hogwash because it has a piss poor way of defining normal. Though, I think they have a good grip on what normal and appropriate is now. However, they still want to make money off sick so they make people sick.

Anyways, that is not really the purpose of this thread. The DSM is a satanical book IMO and should be on the banned list of books. However, it is widely accepted. What a shame.

The purpose of this thread is more about how the people in your every day lives (if be on here or in real life) react to your mental illnesses and how that is for you.

The way I am is generally not pitied and my immediate family deem me to be responsible for the way I think, the way I feel, and expect me to just be able to flip a switch and be different. That I have some kind of conscious choice in it all. Sometimes, I do. A lot of the times, I really don't and I try my best and it still doesn't work out.

I expect there are some on here that know what I'm talking about if you have any kind of genuine mental illness problems are going to arise in your lives. If that be with family, friends, yourself, etc.

Relearning how to live is one of the hardest things I've ever had to accomplish. Reacting appropriately, social etiquette, being personable, etc The information is vast and I will probably never be as good as someone who started from the beginning.

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have you seen a psychiatrist?

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i don't know yet. was it helpful?

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