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Agreed but I think you missed the bit where it was said that the individuals composure was more important than the actual martial art itself.

The introduction of the SIA badge, in the uk, pretty much wiped out all the old school, tough guy security and we have been left with police applicant rejects who got bullied at school, who learn mma in a sub standard dojo in a pathetic attempt to defend themselves of a weekend. 

A nerve of steel and a decent right hook will ensure you never need to go to ground with anyone.

As long as you pick one of the two as a more primary discipline, you can add elements of one to the other. With how many different forms of karate there are, that's a bit of a reach to say it couldn't work  together. You just need to take the time to sort out what you want to use once you've learned what you need.

I did phrase that poorly. However, I do maintain that you'd maintain a preference for one art over the other due to your own natural proclivity toward particular techniques unique to the arts. I've never actually seen an elite athlete practice both arts simultaneously, but I have heard of some practitioners who have gained black belts in Karate and Taekwondo over a period of time, some of which probably overlapped with their practice of both arts.

by Helena

I've never actually seen an elite athlete practice both arts simultaneously, but I have heard of some practitioners who have gained black belts in Karate and Taekwondo over a period of time, some of which probably overlapped with their practice of both arts.

Who said anything about them being practiced simultaneously?

I trained in Tae Kwon Do first then years later I trained in Karate.

Exactly! Why bother! I hope it never comes to that, tk as I think you're perfect just the way you are.

by Turncoat

"Krav (although half decent), along with most other martial arts is relatively useless on the streets."

I gathered as much when I tried to take it for a little bit. Much of the instructor's idea of self defense was practicing what I saw as lazy efficiency, shortcut lessons that teach bad habits meant for dumb foes. He and I... didn't see eye to eye (he claimed it was a good idea to train only one side, wtf). I was willing to write it off as a bad teacher, not a bad style.

It strikes me as a "hype" fighting style more than anything. It boasts pretty big.

"I've known fellas with zero fight training, but can keep their cool, to pulverise people who claim to be this Dan this and blackbelt that."

I've seen it too. Some stick too closely to lessons, assuming that combat combinations or forms are enough experience for actual combat. It risks making either predictable or rigid fighters.

"No amount of indoor tippy tippy can prepare one for the brutality of street combat."

Martial arts classes can still teach some useful lessons, but it's mostly art or sport by itself. Still helpful, but yeah, not enough by itself.

by Helena

Krav (although half decent), along with most other martial arts is relatively useless on the streets. Controlling your rush of adrenaline, I'd say, is much more beneficial any day or night.

Obviously, being trained in Martial Arts myself, I have a great respect for all forms of it, but I agree with you here. MA is pretty much useless on the streets, because it requires that your opponent utilize the same discipline and honour that you yourself (presumably) are going to utilize yourself. Speed, strength, and sometimes the ability to use "props" if you're being overwhelmed are more important than explicit skill on the streets, no matter how ingrained that skill may be.

You can either fight or you can't. No amount of indoor tippy tippy can prepare one for the brutality of street combat.

Well said. My father taught me to fight when I was fourteen, there being no MA or boxing facilities within our vicinity. He was a head-kicker from the 80s, and he always said that fighters are born, and only then they might be "made" within the confines of a gym or a do jang.

 

by Secret Agent Smiley

Krav (although half decent), along with most other martial arts is relatively useless on the streets. Controlling your rush of adrenaline, I'd say, is much more beneficial any day or night.

I've known fellas with zero fight training, but can keep their cool, to pulverise people who claim to be this Dan this and blackbelt that. It's fucking hilarious. Although I'm trained myself, outside a club once when shit was going down, this dude told me he was 2 Dan shotokan in a lame attempt to scare me. I told him I was blackbelt in breaking jaws and asked him if he wanted to dance. Suffice to say, his legs went and he fooked off.

You can either fight or you can't. No amount of indoor tippy tippy can prepare one for the brutality of street combat.

by Secret Agent Smiley

 

by Turncoat

Martial arts classes can still teach some useful lessons, but it's mostly art or sport by itself. Still helpful, but yeah, not enough by itself.

Agreed. Take the Muay Thai roundhouse kick for instance. You miss and because you're conditioned to spin around and turn your back, for that split second, you're  in a head lock with thumbs in your eyes. 

I ditched Muay Thai and trained Muay Boran but it wasn't spontaneous enough. Just conditioned patterns which could potentially kill you. 

Alright, I do agree with some points made here but definitely disagree with others.

What Helena's father said about figthers being born first and made later, that's very true. You tend to compare that kind of street fighters to anyone who learned a few martial arts moves, which is stupid.

I tell you from experience, martial arts training is an advantage however you take it. And I mean, real martial arts training. If you suck with it, you most likely suck without it too. That's why soldiers are being taught martial arts, that's why most were fucking invented in the first place. They give you an advantage in fighting. Krav, Muay, etc... hell even Capoeira, weren't invented just for people to have fun with and fattys to lose weight.

If you take something like MT seriously, your whole body becomes a weapon. You learn to control your strikes and moves in ways someone without training can't, you gain strength and speed. It's a fact. You also need some brains though Slimey, that missed roundhouse kick remark made me laugh (if you can't catch the kick after the miss, although there are ways to learn that despite putting force behind it, you can still throw a spinning back/hook kick). You have to know what to choose in a fight, ffs, and that should come with good training together with good instincts as well. It's not that a martial art like Muay Thai sucks Slimey, it's way more likely that you suck at it, believe me.

Also, from personal experience, I've been in plenty of "street fights" in which I've made use of my training, and have been at a clear advantage because of it.

Lmao Welcome to the party, eddy...finally. Did you like my Muay Thai comment back there? Lol ;)

I agree with a lot if what you've said but you seem like a Muay Thai fanboy to me. Go back up there and read what is being said with a logical mind instead of pmsing and showing us what you'd REALLY be like in street fight. I've trained many martial arts but would would not really say that one was better than another, although there are clear advantages/disadvantages for all, however, most fights should be ended after a quick exchange of words proceeded by a straight right hand or an uppercut straight to the jaw line...even before it escalates into physical confrontation. This is always the best option. And works 99% of the time.

If you have time an space to dance around doing kicks, then you're definitely doing something wrong. Maybe a lack of confidence in taking the initiative. 

A trained fighter with street experience will always beat a street fighter with no training. I can pretty much agree on that. But martial arts training on its own outside the context of real life and death street combat, is like sending a soldier to war with a water pistol.

To sum up: Fear reactivity is key and the streets are unforgiving. They don’t care if you are a Kru or 4th Dan, at all. If you cant control your adrenal response then you won't be able to throw a punch.

The Steve Morris piece you posted was an interesting read. 

I've never stuck with any martial art but I've sampled a few. None of them ever did me much good for fighting, it's all about keeping your head straight. Once the legs go weak it doesn't matter how big they are. 

Eddy could be right but I wouldn't know. I've never fought anyone who knew Muay Thai.

LOL I hope when you tough mother fuckers talk about taking your version of mean to the "streets" you mean more then getting into drunken brawls outside a club. rolls eyes

"I dated them, used them (for sex mostly) and then I left them when I got bored of them. Pure and simple.

Why go to the effort of dating someone for sex only? And multiple times? An intelligent, attractive woman (I've heard you define yourself as such on numerous occasions here, though we've all seen photographic evidence against that and your tenacity towards insult suggests a lack of intelligence) could get some much more if she were a manipulative sort. In fact, I know many of who have.

And it's ridiculously easy to get sex if you're a woman, TK. Sorry to all the guys who're reading this post - I realize that it's an unfair situation, but it really is ludicrously easy for women to find sex.

Thrill, why didn't you just go into Town  (I'm making assumptions here; you sound like a Country girl, and not someone who is all too familiar with George Street) and pick someone up for the night? I mean, all the attractive girls at the bar or club get snapped up first, but by 2am, there'll probably be some desperate, dunk guy who's been abandoned by his friends because they've already scored (please, guys: when you're at a club, don't desert your mates. They could end up in this very situation. It's basically the Golden Rule of the Bro Code. It's also mean-spirited, okay?) and if you agree to pay for the cab fare and a kebab for you both on the way back to Mumsie's, he might consider sleeping with you.

You obviously had Prince Charming fantasies as a little girl

No. But since I know so much about you, I feel obliged to tell you something about me. I wish we could have a quid pro quo arrangement, but you seem against that, for some reason. It's like the fluff has been sucked right out of your chest.

When I was little I wanted to be two things when I grew up: a gymnast and a doctor. That's all I ever thought about. I read books, had an avid interest in politics and history, and trained.

When I was a little girl I was having violent thoughts.

Why don't you act upon them?

Not all people who were abused as children continue the pattern of abuse in adulthood

That's true. But the ones who make good parents don't regularly confess to hating their own children, and to having considered the possibility, however remotely, of killing them and claiming their life insurance.

As long as I got what I wanted, that's all that mattered.

You actually want to be a single parent bludging off her elderly mother, with half your life gone, staring down the barrel of poverty once you reach age at which you can retire on a government pension? BTW, Thrill, I've seen you boasting about living on $AU1400 per months. I can tell you from experience that the average Australian would struggle to live on $1400 per WEEK. TK, you're poor as fuck. Is that why you want so desperately for us to believe that you're living a good life, Thrill? You say that our opinions don't matter to you. Nothing seems further from the truth.

Have you ever been diagnosed with Histrionic Personality Disorder? If not, you should be. It certainly fits you.

C'mon, Thrill. Histrionic Personality Disorder affects just 2% of the population. It's very uncommon. You don't have any qualifications to make a complex diagnosis of any personality disorder (I'll bet you dropped right out of high school as soon as you could, didn't ya?). You're amazingly terrible at insulting your opponents (you use the words "pathetic" and "amusing" more often than any other poster here to give us the impression that you're not  dangerously close to to toppling off your self-designed pedestal in a fit of tears and anguish) but even for you, attempting to diagnose someone you don't know, with information you don't have, with Histrionic Personality Disorder is ludicrously weak.

by Loki

The Steve Morris piece you posted was an interesting read. 

 

I've never stuck with any martial art but I've sampled a few. None of them ever did me much good for fighting, it's all about keeping your head straight. Once the legs go weak it doesn't matter how big they are. 

 

Eddy could be right but I wouldn't know. I've never fought anyone who knew Muay Thai.

Steve is a living legend around here. He's in his 70's now but man can he still go. 

I've fought a few Muay Thai boys but I didn't know until after. Most, under stress, just resort to flapping around like a little bitch. Hit hard and first...simple. And to say because you do Muay Thai your whole body is a weapon haha is like saying if you don't do Muay Thai you don't know how to elbow or throw a knee. Again adrenal response is key NOT what martial art you do...you're right there Loki.

I'm not proud to say but when I've been dancing in the clinch with people, I've bitten ears off. The word gets around town and you don't need to fight anymore.