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by Stayonhere

MUTATE!!! mutate mutate

I feel strongly about this.

 

You're being sarcasitic, because you have no idea how to read information from the internet. You think it's not airborne.

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I don't know what source this is... but this is an alarm...

http://www.voanews.com/content/australian-nurse-tested-for-ebola/2477759.html

 

A top U.S. health official says Ebola is the biggest world health crisis since HIV/AIDS.

Dr. Thomas Frieden spoke Thursday at World Bank headquarters in Washington during a meeting on the Ebola outbreak that has crippled three West African nations and has been detected in several other countries.

Frieden, who leads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, predicted the fight to wipe out the disease will be a long one because the virus keeps changing. He said the only outbreak he has seen resembling the current one is AIDS, and he added that the world community must work hard so this is not the next AIDS.

 

Who is Voice of America?

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MUTATE!!! mutate mutate

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I have a very childish fascination with death and disease. I've ended up having to read quite a lot about this for work, and loved every minute of it. 

Curious though I am as to what would happen if an outbreak were to occur here, I don't actually think we've got anything to worry about. The virus itself is actually pretty fragile, easily killed with soap and hot water on surfaces etc. It could be on your hands and won't pose any threat to you unless you put your hands in your mouth or eyes. 

Liberia is one of the poorest countries in the world. It's socially acceptable to defecate on the streets because most people don't have toilets. We don't have contact with each other's bodily fluids here in the same way that they do. You'd have to be a health worker, be extremely unlucky, or have a standard of hygiene that's pretty disgusting to catch it here off a stranger. 

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I just want to mention, that of all the time I have spent in the hospital this year so far, nurses rarely have to touch you at all.

Genuinely, think about what a nurse has to do in terms of bodily contact with someone who has a fever.

Sometimes they have to set up an IV.

If they barf, or shit the bed, they have to clean it up. That's about it. Which means any of those city workers coming anywhere near the apartments of those infected people are equally prone to be infected as the nurses.

 

If you ask me, it's airborne and dies after it is allowed to sit at room temperature for lengthy periods.

 

 

And the big thing about this, is that it doesn't seem to be a seasonal thing. First known infection was in December, and now the world is going to end up with Africa totally devastated by the disease.

Even if it fails to outbreak in Texas, the amount of people that must and will continue to fly to and from Africa will make it absolutely devestating.

Bottom line, if any 1rst world people die in health care while being treated for the disease then it's absolutely game over.

Only my opinion.

 

I'm pretty sick and bored today, so don't mind my ranting.

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Well Gypsy, the issue seems to be that professionals admit they do not know the exact mode of transmission.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

Lisa M Brosseau, ScD, and Rachael Jones, PhD | Sep 17, 2014

No one knows for certain how Ebola virus is transmitted from one person to the next. The virus has been found in the saliva, stool, breast milk, semen, and blood of infected persons.8,9 Studies of transmission in Ebola virus outbreaks have identified activities like caring for an infected person, sharing a bed, funeral activities, and contact with blood or other body fluids to be key risk factors for transmission.10-12

On the basis of epidemiologic evidence, it has been presumed that Ebola viruses are transmitted by contaminated hands in contact with the mouth or eyes or broken skin or by splashes or sprays of body fluids into these areas. Ebola viruses appear to be capable of initiating infection in a variety of human cell types,13,14 but the primary portal or portals of entry into susceptible hosts have not been identified.

This virus is spreading at a pace that shatters previous outbreaks, "in Africa".

The major thing seems to be that the disease has been transmitted to health workers outside of Africa, specifically in Spain. They are not without proper facilities or procedures. One nurse is positive Ebola, and another with a fever. I don't know what that means or if it is accurate (the second nurse).

With incubation periods that range between 2 and 21 days, it makes people a little more worried.

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Yeah I added that it mutates at a rapid rate.

The scientists admit, they do not understand how it infiltartes the human body. That means, they have no idea if someone breathes droplets in the air, if that can get past the lungs, or is someone touches blood, if it needs to get into a crack of skin, or into the eye ducts.

They do claim it is mutating at rapid rates in the trillions, which to my layman mind means nothing.

So. will it fundamentally change it's mode of transmission? no... that's like geese all of sudden growing fins and hunting sharks in the ocean.

Has it fundamentally gotten more effective?

Yes... obviously... Ebola has broken out several times in the past, and this time it is way more effective.

Scientists suspect that this viral strain is a rebirth of a dormant ebola that has previously gone by and remained in a dormant state inside a host, or maybe it was laying in a cool pool of water dormant for years after a dying host took their last bath. I don't know how they draw those assumptions.

As opposed to a brand new strain that has leaped from the animal kingdom to humans all over again. Which makes sense, because that explains why it is more effective this time around.

It is also, "probably" why authorities in disease control are comparing it to AIDS.

 

 

Think about it. Aids requires the absorption of blood into the system from a host. Weak mucous membranes, whatever, etc.

Ebola does not.

 

 

So there are probably new politics. How do you encourage health workers to commit, without being excessively confident and brave?

They probably need those anti-bodies more than anything else.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_damage

Collateral damage is damage to things that are incidental to the intended target. It is frequently used as a military term where it can refer to the accidental or unintentional killing or wounding of non-combatants and/or destruction to non-combatant property during attacks on legitimate enemy targets.[1][2]

 

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There you go guys... now you can start to worry a little...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/12/texan-healthcare-worker-ebola-thomas-duncan-us

Texas healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola as CDC suggests breach of safety protocol

Unnamed worker provided care for Thomas Duncan
‘Close contact’ of worker also in preliminary isolation
Worker was wearing full protective gear when treating Duncan
Authorities say pet believed to be in quarantined apartment
Ebola: as seen through the eyes of a 13-year-old
US airports start screening passengers for Ebola

“We have known that further cases of Ebola are a possibility among those who were in contact with Mr Duncan before he passed away last week,” the statement said. “The system of monitoring, quarantine and isolation was established to protect those who cared for Mr Duncan as well as the community at large by identifying any potential ebola cases as early as possible and getting those individuals into treatment immediately.”

 

 

Rolling Stone Magazine is wrong. The virus is not spreading in Africa because they are an "inferior people" with inferior healthcare.

The virus is spreading because they don't know how to stop it.

 

That is one health care worker in Spanish Hospitals who have contracted the disease, and now one in Texas.

Africa might have slightly inferior protocals or healthcare, but the USA and Spain are proof positive that it doesn't matter.

 

 

I will bet you money that the chance of an outbreak in Texas are more along the lines of 60-80%, rather than slim to none.

 

Do not forget guys, this is the robot they were using in Texas to sterilize the room.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/germ-zapping-robot-combats-hospital-infections/

"Little Moe" is manufactured by a Texas company called Xenex. The company told CBS News that its disinfection robots are in use in 250 American hospitals, including Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, where Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan is being treated and is in critical condition. The company would not confirm whether their robot was being used in that part of the hospital.

I can't be sure it was in Duncans room, but I suspect it may have been based on the reports out there.

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Great story which reveals protocol among Texas health workers.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/10/deputy-ebola-monnig-scare-symptoms-apartment-frisco-dallas-texas/17043997/

He had visited a clinic in Frisco because of stomach pains. But when his temperature read 101.7 degrees, Monnig said, his Ebola fears began to feel real.

Monnig was transported to Texas Health Presbyterian inside an ambulance protected with plastic on the inside. Once there, his blood was drawn. He was cleared of the Ebola virus the next day.

Monnig said he was diagnosed with an unknown virus. The deputy said besides feeling "mentally drained," he now feels good and is happy to be safe with his family.

 

How do they know it wasn't Ebola? I am not a hematologist, I am asking because I don't know...

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

Symptoms of Ebola virus disease

The incubation period, that is, the time interval from infection with the virus to onset of symptoms is 2 to 21 days. Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms. First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, symptoms of impaired kidney and liver function, and in some cases, both internal and external bleeding (e.g. oozing from the gums, blood in the stools). Laboratory findings include low white blood cell and platelet counts and elevated liver enzymes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-doctors-test-for-ebola/

However, this test can be negative during the first three days an infected person has symptoms, said Dr. Sandro Cinti, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Michigan Hospital System/Ann Arbor VA Health System.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-lab-samples-yield-questions-as-well-as-answers/


"It's in there while the person has the infection," explains CBS News chief medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook. "Then your immune system comes in and it's either going to kill you or you're going to recover. And if you're going to recover, that virus is eventually going to leave your body. It leaves the blood more quickly than it leaves other areas."

The researchers tested a total of 54 clinical specimens -- including saliva, skin swabs, stool, mucous, nasal blood and tears -- from 26 patients who were confirmed through laboratory testing to have the Ebola virus. The researchers also collected 33 environmental specimens from patient wards. Twelve of the patients who provided specimens eventually died.

Sixteen specimens from the patients tested positive for Ebola. The virus was found in saliva samples (8 of 16 samples), a skin swab (1 of 11), stool (2 of 4), semen (1 of 2), breast milk (2 of 2), tears (1 of 1) and nasal blood (1 of 1). No virus was found in the samples tested of urine (0 of 11), vomit (0 of 2), phlegm (0 of 2) and sweat (0 of 1).

 

 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/ebola-u-s-timeline-m-article-1.1964967

Monday, Sept. 29: Duncan is isolated with possible Ebola.

Tuesday Sept. 30: Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, confirms Duncan tested positive for the disease.

So maybe the deputy showed up on September 30th? Or 31rst?

He was hospitalized on the 8th?

Okay fine... I guess 3 days is enough...

However, that CBS article says specifically they can test Negative for upto 3 days after initially showing symptoms. So if he showed up to the hospital on the 8th, and was released on the 9th. That means he was feeling symptoms on the 7th or 8th.

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This one seems possible. Boston. Previously in West Africa. I mean there are lots of these that are false warnings, but... hey you never know...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/12/ebola/z3DybKoXBg0XjPO6m5yVgK/story.html

BRAINTREE — A Braintree medical center is being quarantined and a patient has been isolated outside the facility with a possible case of Ebola, officials said.

The patient at Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates recently traveled to West Africa, and is being isolated because of his medical complaints, fire officials said Sunday.

“Ebola protocol is in place,” said Joe Zanca of Braintree Fire Department. “We don’t know if he actually has Ebola.”

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