Sociopath Community

by Luna Prey

It's certainly a challenge I look forward to facing.

Here are the ideas we have so far:

We can have a .com domain, but only with instructions on how to access the .onion domain. The .onion domain will be where this community will exist.

No IP logging will exist. Not once in our code will the server request your IP address. This include even Awstats. We will disable it. Additionally, we will not collect emails what-so-ever.

As for host, we will find an anonymous solution. My first idea is that we have the community donate bit-coin to an account which will pay the hosting bill. In this way Anonymous will own itself, and pay it's own bills.

Since there will be no leaders, there will be no "officers". It will simply be a group of individuals who suggest and vote up cool ideas, and then participate in those ideas. We are a communication tool. I don't think a phone company would be sued because a murderer plotted his next crime on the phone with his partner. We can't dictate what people say. That's censorship.

I'm not sure if this will offer much, and perhaps a lawyer can consult on this, but I'm wondering if we could put something in the user agreement. We could make anyone who visits our site agree that they are not a government agency. At least, I think in court we could make the argument that the data they've obtained (assuming they infiltrate the site) is illegal obtained, and therefor not permissible.

Before I started programming, I used to play private server MMORPGs. Programmers would find a popular game they like, and create an emulator for it, and whenever you entered the website, it had a terms of use which supposedly stopped the company's they stole it from, from taking legal action against them.

 As far as the user agreement goes, this would not provide you with anything as you suspected. There is nothing inherently illegal about them violating a user agreement. Even if it was, during the course of an investigation agents often get away with doing illegal acts. Your only chance would be a breach of contract. In a courtroom scenario there are multiple ways they could get around this. It would be easy to void such an contract. Contracts for the purpose of illegal activity are void and as such unenforceable. Also courts often refuse to uphold contracts which "are contrary to public policy."

I doubt the programmers terms of use had much of an effect. It was probably the companies deciding that anything they would get out of suing wouldnt be worth the legal costs associated with getting it.

Legally this site will always be a nightmare, the courts wont be on your side.

Thanks for the information.

Anytime

It does sound like an interesting idea though, I don't know if it has been explored before. If you are interested check out the Kim Dotcom megaupload court cases and their decision when they render it. His argument is that megaupload was a way for people to upload files, he had nothing to do with people posting copyrighted content for others to stream so he should not be held accountable for his users' content.

You could draw a parallel to your hypothetical website if you made sure that the website was not encouraging the illegal activity itself, but it was the users who were driving the content. Obviously it would have to be restructured a bit but if you did that, the megaupload case could serve as a sort of legal precedent. If you were to win that, it would be harder for the authorities to get it shut down or monitored.

Something to consider anyway

Seems like a potentially interesting site.

Thats amazing news, thanks!

As for the security concerns, valid as they maybe are IMHO outweighed by the possibility of actually affecting some real change...We are monitored when 'they' deem fit! Didn't 'they' announce this month that they'd hacked 'Tor'??!!! I support this nubile idea & pray that we see it's fruition....Then again I need to see change for personal reasons my little girl. Preserving life & equality for all....with maybe a few exceptions!! lol

Very interesting regarding finding an anonymous solution to hosting.
As far as it goes I'm a foreigner living in a dirt kicking country. I would be able to make service to this project as in paying for hosting.
at least until some other/better solution would come up.

Regarding being able to donate anonymously.. someone have to be in the receiving end unless we can make this a company representing itself or a digital person (like luna is already stating..)
Also paying to this anon rep. specially from long distance would demand some interaction.
that's usually all tracable, unless you have physical access...
the head ache of no admins and only digital rep....

Another thing on that.. someone also needs to have admin rights in order to change or update the site.
maybe make anyone with a certain renown have that ?

Regarding law, it would only work in regards to american law if using an american lawier.
if this is to be international.. then i suggest you do the same the underground porn industry have done for years and host in an obscure country with not much legal obstruction.
how information obtained from a foreign server is used in an american court, im not really sure..
but... there is no real court system of we the people anyways.. welcome to the empire.

we do need to be more and be stronger represented, yes anon do have several groups but, some of those groups are also government/political party affiliated, in a way they stopped being anon and started being political affiliates wearing white masks or whatever. After all Anon doesn't really represent any personal affiliation, so can be anyone anywhere sharing ideas or information.

Saying Anonymous is an organisation
is like saying
Anarchy is a political ideology
Welcome to the realm of ideas

That's why this community will be unique. The idea of Reddit, and how the most popular posts make it to the top.. it can be applied in many of the same ways to this Anonymous community. That's really all the leadership we need. We need the ability to come to a consensus on ideas. That's what occupy wall street needed as well. A way to become one voice.

About making updates and stuff. It's an interesting topic.. I do want this project to be open source, and I'd also like people to be able to contribute. So, perhaps we can use GIT to allow people to submit their own updates. I will then look through the code, and make sure it's secure, and truly an update, and approve it. In this way, anyone who likes can contribute to the project. I will serve as the lead developer, and the gate keeper to make sure malicious or insecure contributions don't get in. This is assuming developers take an interest in the improvement of this project.

Can't wait