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What does it mean to be a Sociopath?


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What is sociopathy? So often, members here challenge each other as to weather or not they are sociopaths. For example, a common one is that it's implied one isn't a sociopath if they respond with an emotional outburst. This might lend evidence toward the idea that they think sociopathy is a suppression of emotions. 

So here is the wikipedia definition of emotion:

In psychology and philosophy, emotion is a subjective, conscious experience characterized primarily by psychophysiological expressions, biological reactions, and mental states. Emotion is often associated and considered reciprocally influential with mood, temperament, personality, disposition, and motivation.[1] It also is influenced by hormones and neurotransmitters such as dopamine, noradrenaline, serotonin, oxytocin, cortisol and GABA. Emotion is often the driving force behind motivation, positive or negative.[2] An alternative definition of emotion is a "positive or negative experience that is associated with a particular pattern of physiological activity."

 

So, from this, could it be said that a sociopath lacks emotion? I think it's unlikely. 

So here is the wikipedia definition of psychopathy:

Psychopathy (or sociopathy) is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior.

 

Antisocial behavior is pretty easy to define I think. Perhaps it's a lack of awareness of consequences that might happen upon others as a result of the individual's actions. I don't find low functioning sociopaths to be very interesting though, and I believe high functioning sociopaths are smart enough to understand the consequences of their actions, and so, though they might be considered anti-social, it's not that they lack social skill, but rather that they lack the will to be social for some reason or another.

Empathy is more of a grey area. When one considers the concept of Humanity, they might feel empathic, even a sense of responsibility toward humanity. On the other hand, when one looks at the individual human, a sociopathic perspective could be to see the human as less important. But then again, I think the abnormal humans would be those who allow themselves to be disturbed by the death of another human being. After all, we are no less animal, and no less familiar with death, and killing than all the other predators on this planet. So the idea that all of Humanity naturally feels a significant amount of empathy toward outsider humans.. I think it's a cultural farce. Perhaps a result of religion.

Remorse is interesting in that I think the sort of person who feels remorse would be someone who isn't very future oriented. The past is beyond our control, and sentiment really has no practical value in our lives. To allow ourselves to take the time to even consider the idea of feeling remorse for a decision you obviously made.. I can see how one might feel the need to learn from past mistakes though.

Same with the disinhibited or "bold" behavior. We Humans don't know what is bold or not. We test the boundaries, or we learn from the examples from others around us. The idea that the sociopath simply is less sensitive to culture, and more willing to be "bold" or "disinhibited", it sound to me, like an idiot, and not really a key aspect of ASPD, but more an aspect of stupid Humans.



I think sociopathy is a way of seeing the world. A realistic, cold view point. I think the high functioning individuals who are machines making the best decision every time are committed to their goals, and as a result of taking on a more realistic perspective on Human culture, they are able to understand it, and shape themselves in such a way as to be exactly what is necessary to accomplish their objectives. Humans are adaptable, and I think the sociopath is the top adapter. There is no absolute personality that the individual feels obligated to. Only becoming what is necessary to achieve what is desired.

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What does it mean to be a Sociopath?

Trying to convince us you're a sociopath, Luna?

It's not going to work. You'll never be one and you should be thankful for that because it's not something you should want to have.

The reason I don't believe you are one is not only because of your emotional outbursts but the reason behind them. You seem to get upset when people don't like you. You're sensitive. It hurts you to not be liked. This is not sociopathic behavior. Mind you, that alone isn't really proof that you're not a sociopath, but it's certainly a pretty clear indicator that you lack the mindset of one to some degree.

Based on a comment you made about yourself on another thread (which I can't be fucked searching for) you think you are a sociopath. I'm interested to see why you think that. Care to share?

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What does it mean to be a Sociopath?

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What does it mean to be a Sociopath?

 

by Luna Prey

So, from this, could it be said that a sociopath lacks emotion? I think it's unlikely.

Sociopaths do not lack emotion entirely. We can experience emotion, but our emotions are shallow and fleeting. It's why I'm bored all the time because I just don't feel much of anything most of the time, and when I do, it never lasts.

I'm constantly craving excitement, something, anything to make me feel alive. But even excitement is fleeting. It's there and it's gone again.

 

Antisocial behavior is pretty easy to define I think. Perhaps it's a lack of awareness of consequences that might happen upon others as a result of the individual's actions. I don't find low functioning sociopaths to be very interesting though, and I believe high functioning sociopaths are smart enough to understand the consequences of their actions, and so, though they might be considered anti-social, it's not that they lack social skill, but rather that they lack the will to be social for some reason or another.

Social skill has nothing to do with it or lack of awareness.

Speaking as someone with AsPD, I always know there are consequences to my actions, but most of the time I simply don't care. And other times, I'm just not thinking that far ahead. I always expect to get away with everything I do, and if I get caught. Well, shit happens. It doesn't stop me. Next time I just try to find a new way of doing the same thing.

I don't want to get caught. I can plan ahead when I really want to, if the situation is serious enough to warrant that, but I'm also impulsive to some degree. I can't always control my impulses in certain situations, so if I act in a way that disregards the consequences in a high risk situation, it's because I lost control, not because I wasn't aware of the consequences.

 

After all, we are no less animal, and no less familiar with death, and killing than all the other predators on this planet. So the idea that all of Humanity naturally feels a significant amount of empathy toward outsider humans.. I think it's a cultural farce. Perhaps a result of religion.

I agree with this. Religion is a farce in itself. It manipulates people into conformity.

 

I'll add more to your post later. I'm in the middle of something at the moment.

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"What is sociopathy?"

Its this.

 

"So often, members here challenge each other as to weather or not they are sociopaths. For example, a common one is that it's implied one isn't a sociopath if they respond with an emotional outburst. This might lend evidence toward the idea that they think sociopathy is a suppression of emotions."

I do not think its that simple.

"Perhaps it's a lack of awareness of consequences"

More like a lack of care. Because the consequences are not severe enough.

 

"When one considers the concept of Humanity, they might feel empathic, even a sense of responsibility toward humanity."

Why?

 

"So the idea that all of Humanity naturally feels a significant amount of empathy toward outsider humans.. I think it's a cultural farce."

No, animals have that too. Its because we live in 'packs'. And not hurting others of your pack benefits your pack, which in turn benefits you as an individual. Its natural.

 

Remorse ensures we do not do the same mistakes in the future. Sounds future oriented to me.

 

"The idea that the sociopath simply is less sensitive to culture, and more willing to be "bold" or "disinhibited", it sound to me, like an idiot, and not really a key aspect of ASPD, but more an aspect of stupid Humans."

However mostly non-conformist are those who made big changes. You can be a smart non-conformist or a stupid non-conformist. Being a non-conformist doesn't make you more or less intelligent on its own.

 

'Sociopathy' is a disordered way of viewing the world. If everyone were like that, society would crumble and the human race would be in trouble. The reason a sociopath might be considered a top adapter, is because they do not care or value many things, so they can live in many different ways. However not all sociopaths could do that.

 

What you describe is a cynical view of the world and you do not need to be a sociopath to have that view.

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From my own experience my calculating nature usually only works one or two steps ahead. I have tunnel vision when I want something and that means getting it at any cost. Then I tunnel vision on whatever I want to change about the consequences. It's not that fun if you're not Dexter with a team of screenwriters making sure everything works out for you.

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Empathy is something that is present in more than just humans, and more often than not it's seen by the majority as a human trait (since, well, more have it than don't). To not have it is to be unnatural, be it a dysfunction of the mind, the product of jading, or whatever the cause. Religion, if anything, just weaponizes what traits people already have naturally as opposed to creating anything.

As for this "bold behavior" = "stupid idiot humans" bit, isn't ASPD typically one to have trouble learning from experiences? "We Humans don't know what is bold or not" is a subjective claim that collectives are likely to see differently, as even someone just winging it is likely to see something as such once it has crossed a line.

"I think sociopathy is a way of seeing the world" is like saying that schizophrenics are just artists, depression victims are just cynics, bipolar people are just mood swingers... completely neglecting the impacts of nature and nurture in favor of slapping on a philosophy label.

Speaking from experience, people who are, or are seen as "machines", are alienated from the people as, while they may see certain things in a light that can help, they also lack a fundamental understanding of what it means to be "human" in the first place. Not being as swayed by what pushes others doesn't make them better off, simply differently abled and likely to be pushed by other factors instead.

There's usually more to life than just objectives for people, and claiming that those who fit the parts you don't like "are just stupid" in favor of writing your own definition strikes me as odd. There's more answers than just ASPD for behaviors that may appear similar to it.

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Are you aware that everything you write reads like a school essay written by a 14 year old doing her best to sound like a grown up?

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You already tried to add something and you just ended up droning on about yourself yet again. Don't act like something worthwhile was just on the tip of your tongue.

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What does it mean to be a Sociopath?

what is sociopathy ?

it depends but on this particular site the answer is simple

sociopathy is a club every 1 strives to join the ranks of "real sociopaths" as opposed to the fakes and wannabees lol

if u dont feel like ur 1 of the cool kids luna u must try harder

 

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