I saw all that, aspie went completely nuts there. He even mentioned that he thinks that ME is most of the people on this forum (though not all of us)
Ok, well I was interested in that particular discussion, so I will attempt to revive it by summarizing the contents briefly. (Yes I am capable of doing that, in spite of occasional dips in Venator's bottomless pool of long-winded verbosity. :P)
TNP: I almost choked a girl unconscious. She got so scared that she shat herself. D-oh.
ED: You're an idiot to mess around like that when you know you have impulse control issues in that area. Take Viagra instead, 'tard.
EGO: In s/m it is easy for things to get out of hand. And telling a paraphilic to take Viagra is not a sustainable long-term solution. I should know. :P
ED: It's all good as long as both partners consent to that shit, but violence doesn't always have a sexual component. TNP's bloodlust is the result of his seeing murder as some sort of enticing, forbidden fruit. He needs to stop that shit before he ends up in jail.
EGO: Bear in mind that this was not a case in which someone was asking for a knucle sandwich. TNP mentioned that the incident occurred in a context that would have normally led to foreplay. Perhaps it would be advisable for him to find a trustworthy partner with whom he can be open about and sublimate these powerful urges- rather than seek to repress them- and so inevitably cause a build up of pressure, leading to their inappropriate expression. This seems to me like a more sustainable long-term solution than Viagara and forced vanilla intimacy.
What say you?
Haha. Well here is my version:
TNP: I was having a rough foreplay with a woman, but all of the sudden I started choking her and I couldn't stop. She pissed and shat herself and that's when I regained control. We both brushed off the incident as if nothing happened.
Me: Wow TNP, you're fucked up. And so is the woman for not reporting your ass. You should be dealt with.
TNP: Oh but I knew I had this problems, I had talked to my shrink about this. Ohhh... when you feel another person is struggling for their life and you're the one who controls it.... Oooh... it's so cool... Anyway both the woman and I were surprised I wanted to kill her. How do you suppose I should be dealt with?
Me: this post I typed in offline first, so luckily I still have it:
Ffs TNP, spare me the bullshit. It’s
not the first time you say this killer instinct takes over and you really
struggle not to kill the person that’s at your mercy, you’ve waxed poetic about
this shit and your sadism before. If you were truly bothered by it, you’d avoid
putting yourself in these positions in the first place. Avoid rough foreplay,
breathplay, bdsm or whatever the fuck else you said you’re into. If you know
you have trouble controlling yourself, why the fuck do you keep tempting
yourself, you should stay the fuck away from all that. What, you can’t get it
up if you’re not strangling the lady? Take some Viagra then, grandpa said it helps.
By dealt with, I mean dealt with the
way you’d want somebody else who did this to your mother, or your girlfriend,
be dealt with. What’s the standard punishment for assault or even attempted
murder? If things got a bit more real to you maybe you’d grow the fuck up
already, and wouldn’t let your fantasies risk the destruction of at least 2 lives. Because I truly think you’re a smart guy who needs a wake-up call.
And before you start telling me I’m
a self righteous bastard and don’t really understand your issue - well I happen
to get your problem very well. I’m kinda passionate about this, because I sometimes
struggle with violent urges myself. Not as much as I did in the past, but I
still have this aggression in my body that sometimes wants out when it shouldn’t.
I’ve completely lost it a couple of times and came very close to killing people
and fucking up my life. I noticed getting drunk past a certain point predisposes
me to losing control, so now I fucking avoid getting too hammered. When I feel
it’s time to stop pouring another glass, I stop, even though I really don’t
want to sometimes, because I know that if someone pisses me or someone in my
group off, I can get this urge (part urge part thrill I suppose) to really hurt
that person, and drunk it’s more difficult to control myself. Problem is, it
takes very little for me to seriously fuck someone up if I let my instincts
take over and my body do “the talkingâ€. A couple of strikes and bones get
broken. And if some medium sized guy loses it, by-standers and company usually intervene
and stop the fight, but when someone like me loses it people are too scared to
intervene right away and defend the person that’s being targeted, so in the end
it’s mainly my self control that I must rely on.
So yeah, I got into too much detail
I think, but I felt I had to type all that before I told you you’re a selfish,
immature, irresponsible asshole that deserves to suffer all the consequences if
you ever put yourself in tempting situations again. If you’re anything like me,
you should avoid them like a plague, and have no excuse if you don’t. You
should have avoided this one too since you were already aware of your killer urges.
Alter: Me and my husband do all sorts of naughty, hardcore shit. It's so much better than vanilla sex. Viagra doesn't help a paraphilliac.
Me: Well some violent urges don't have a sexual component, maybe that was TNP's case. If both partners are ok with it, fine, but that girl obviously didn't want that shit coming her way. TNP's mind tricks him to think killing is this forbidden, thrilling, cool shit, (add: maybe because it's so taboo in society?), but it's not. Even a kid can kill, it's very easy. It happens in nature all the time.
That's all I can remember.
I like my version better. :P
Avoid rough foreplay,breathplay, bdsm or whatever the fuck else you said you’re into. If you knowyou have trouble controlling yourself, why the fuck do you keep temptingyourself, you should stay the fuck away from all that. What, you can’t get itup if you’re not strangling the lady? Take some Viagra then.
^I take exception to all of that. Viagra won't do shit for a true paraphilic, and repression instigates a build-up of pressure, which in turns causes the suppressed urges to pop up unexpectedly and express themselves in inappropriate ways. I think sublimation is a preferable way of dealing with that type of problem. It is better to channel such urges than to ignore them outright and pretend they don't exist. That shit is not going to go away.
Think of your own approach. Are you not a professional fighter? You did not succeed in eliminating your violent streak in your quest for self-control; you merely learned to channel it (more) appropriately.
If there is no sexual component to his violent urges (and given the context in which the incident described occurred, that sounds unlikely to me), maybe he should join a fightclub, or something.
Yeah. I don't know. Perhaps it is outright irresponsible for me to be dispensing that kind of advice. I understand the rush you get when you literally hold someone's life in your hands... for me, it translates into something visceral and carnal. But I am just playing rough. I don't have murderous urges motivated by hatred.
Unless I actually understand the motives underlying TNP's conduct, I have nothing of value to say. But he's intelligent and introspective enough to know whether or not that kind of advice might prove suitable.