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Aggression and threat assessment


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We all like to think that we are capable of defending ourselves against violence and overt aggression should the need arise , in whatever form it may take.

Whether it is protecting our loved ones, or ourselves , by either active retaliation or simple retreat from the threat , both have the effect of potentially removing the threatening situation from our immediate space. If it is a successful action and the threat is removed by whatever means, it bolsters our belief in ourselves and strengthens the confidence in our abilities to handle confrontational situations.

If it goes awry, it damages the same, and if the situation ends in either trauma or violence upon the person, it can escalate the loss of confidence to the point of the victim becoming depressed and/or unable to respond to further attack effectively.

It only takes a brief look around, to see that violence, aggression and hostility exist the world over,and can pervade almost every aspect of life and social interaction, from an angry customer thinking they've been ripped off, to the guy loitering around a shop to mug the unwary.

We all have our individual "tells" that we look for in a potential threat, whether that threat is a physical one, or a perceived one coming from some form of interaction. (Im referring solely to human interaction and threat here). These "tells" feed our mind with the information that dictates our response to whatever is going on and the more accurate we are at deciphering those signals for our own benefits, the more likely a successful outcome is achieved.

On the whole, people who have been/or are in involved in potentially hostile jobs, hobbies , training or living situation, have a better grasp on threat assessment and the use of signals exhibited by the threat/aggression than those who do not.
However , there are often times when a trained or conditioned individual , becomes overcome by their attacker/threat , despite being proficient in defense or threat control. This can be due to a misjudgment, an impairment from injury or illness , or the big one ....EGO.

My questions to you guys are :

1 : What are the some of the initial "tells" or signals , that warn you that you may actually be in danger ( and by danger I mean a threat to either your physical self OR your pride and self esteem).
What do you look for , what triggers it ?


2: What is your usual response to your initial warning ?

3: and last but not least, what role does your ego play in your response ?

Again, I am referring to human threat here, whether online, in public or at home. Of course the response varies with online interaction as opposed to the other, but Im interested in the variations of them, and how people view them.

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This was interesting, I'm assuming this idea didn't just flash into your mind and you had some kind of personal experience with it...

1 : What are the some of the initial "tells" or signals , that warn you that you may actually be in danger ( and by danger I mean a threat to either your physical self OR your pride and self esteem).
What do you look for , what triggers it ?

I usually go for body language.  Increased statue, small facial expressions, and tonality all play a part in how I judge threat level.  At my current age, threat usually comes with lawsuits and the interpretation is based only on e-mail correspondence.  Typically I let the lawyers play out the options and choose what I believe to be the best decision at the time.

2: What is your usual response to your initial warning ?

Being relatively new to "grown-up" threats (legal, business competition, politics), I tend to either hatch some plan to either destroy and dominate, (typically a long plan 6-12 months), or if it makes good business sense, I just let it be.  Growing up I responded to threats as any child would, find some way to eliminate my threat through expultion, bullying, blackmail, and last resort a fist fight. 

3: and last but not least, what role does your ego play in your response ?

Currently, ego doesn't play a big part.  I'd rather go the rational path.  Time and resources are limited.  If it costs more to litigate or devise some "evil" plan, I ignore it unless it affects my business directly. 

Lycan, I'd also like to hear your responses to these questions as well.

P.S. There are no such things as loved ones just preferred people.  I'm lying by the way, you and Amanda know this.

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Speaking for myself, it has been my experience that people who do not display obvious signals of the ego , who move with an awareness of self and create little fuss , are the ones more likely to be potentially dangerous , who give few if any signals of what they are truly capable of.

A persons movements and they way they handle objects can be a tell for me , as can a mismatch of action/verbal.

Gait, posture and bearing also play their part , and their actions when they believe they are safe/comfortable.

As for online, watching before engaging has its benefits lol, and Im sure that the ensuing responses by sw users will have the usual plethora of misinformation , and covert puppetry thrown in. 

 

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Youre right tech, it didnt just flash into my mind lol. I had an interesting conversation with someone today regarding tactical psychology out in the big wide world and I thought it would be interesting to see what responses would be generated on here .

I find the eyes can play a big part in signalling, and of course when it is accompanied by facial/physical gestures its even more pronounced. 

My usual first response is a heightened observation , and from there I can decide if I wish to engage it, or change the dynamic in some way.

As for the ego. It played a much bigger part in altercations and fights in my younger years than it does these days. I learned the hard way that engaging some shit because of the ego can not only be hard on the body, but also waste a lot of time needlessly .

I learned to "pick my battles" in a better way instead of chasing my tail with shit that didnt really matter anyway. Of course that doesnt mean that I dont get the occasional burst of male ego, but Id like to think that I deal with it in a more productive way these days.

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Aggression and threat assessment

Unfortunately all was revealed in a drug cocktail of Xanax and Ambien late one nite.

 

Hah.

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there are the obvious tells: a hot head or a crazy person or a homeless guy looking at you, they are either unpredictable or clearly aggressive

and there are people who give no tells about anything, you cant trust those, not initially. they are also unpredictable.

there are also the people who fake too much. you could predict them only if you get to know them for real.

these are things i don't usually think about and i have slightly paranoid phases from time to time

2

backing off and observing from a distance. i need to keep away so i dont become stupid and aggressive. if i prepare myself i can keep my anger in check, then its all ok. i improvise, to a point.

3

sometimes i have to get over my ego, which used to be very difficult but is now just a small challenge and after each time i get over myself it gets easier. otherwise i get angry and stupid.

 

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online people can only be a threat if they reach rl. and i dont mean if they physically come here, thats easier to deal with. its the protection of the internet that makes it difficult. but i know what to do with online problems.

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"and there are people who give no tells about anything, you cant trust those, not initially. they are also unpredictable."

Botox and plastic surgery of the face are both ways to reduce displays. Tranquilizers can reduce it as well.

Other than things of that nature, there's always tells. Some people's tells are just easier to miss than others.


"there are also the people who fake too much. you could predict them only if you get to know them for real."

Things tend to give that away. The real risk is your own distractibility, slow senses, or not in advance knowing what to look for.


As for the questions from the OP:

1 : What are the some of the initial "tells" or signals , that warn you that you may actually be in danger ( and by danger I mean a threat to either your physical self OR your pride and self esteem).What do you look for, what triggers it?
What I Look For: Context, body language, and microexpressions.

What Triggers It: Too many things.

2: What is your usual response to your initial warning?
Usually? Assuming I am missing a variable somewhere. I typically doubt my findings or assume I blinked or looked away during a key flash of expression that could redefine everything. Without reasons for their tells, they only say so much.

With enough context however, I will respond based on that instead of a notion of "danger". I worry about danger too often to take it seriously by itself.

3: and last but not least, what role does your ego play in your response?
Not much of one. I tend to come across as somewhat detached when I'm not acting out or trying to appear otherwise.

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yes there are tells, they just reduced.

 

and yes fake people do give away with time.

 

but you should have a note to take notice of these people more then the usual.

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They're more fun to learn about anyway, as their story's not just the duration of a flashback episode of a sitcom.

How I respond to the reduced tells depends on why they are reduced. Post-surgery faces are spooky.

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they are definitely more fun

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