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by hypercube

By that definition, I could most likely find a way to describe nearly any act of will as evil, whether directly (confining a person and depriving him of his will is harmful to that person, therefore putting criminals in prison is evil) or indirectly through "butterfly effect" thought (convincing a woman to leave her abusive husband snapped his mind and he went to work and shot 3 people) so I'm not sure about the logic of using "causes harm" as evil.

If you ask me, the rule of law itself is evil. There is also the cause for greater good. A criminal knows the risks of getting caught and locked up is part of that. They willed their actions knowing the price they must pay for getting caught. For most, prison is a purification of the self. I know quite a few people who been to jail, and today, they are quite successful.

Convincing people to detach or leave others against their will, just doesn't happen. I can almost promise that. But yes, as long as it's in imposition of their will, it is an evil act to intervene in that way. The husband went psycho and she wishes to stay with him. It's the individual who makes her choices, not her friends.

Perhaps "intent to cause harm" might work better. And even then, that would be your opinion. It's probably an opinion you share with the majority. Though you might not always agree on the definition of 'harm,' or the definition of 'intent' for that matter.

Your over thinking the simple.

Intent to cause harm = Imposition of will. Every time.

by Thrill Kill

 

by Spatial Mind

Unlike beauty, Evil is not an opinion.

How can evil not simply be an opinion?

Evil is subjective. Just because you believe in it, that doesn't mean it exists. Well, in your mind it might exist, but it doesn't in mine.

I don't see anything as evil. As far as I'm concerned, evil exists only in fairy tales along with monsters and god.

That's because you're self centered Thrill. You see the world as only you matter and no one else. You do not step out of the picture and think how all the others are considerate of one another for the sake of prosperity.

The idea of you being yet another human being doesn't set. It matters if someone takes from you, but if you take from others, no problem.

by Spatial Mind

 It matters if someone takes from you, but if you take from others, no problem.

 True indeed.

If you ask me, the rule of law itself is evil.

In what way? And what would be the 'good' alternative?

There is also the cause for greater good. A criminal knows the risks they getting caught and locked up is part of that. They willed their actions knowing the price they must pay for getting caught. For most, prison is a purification of the self. I know quite a few people who been to jail, and today, they are quite successful.

Homosexuals in Middle Eastern prisons - greater good or not? It might seem like I'm pointlessly playing devil's advocate, but my point is that any attempt to define objective, concrete evil has flaws.

Intent to cause harm = Imposition of will. Every time.

A parent raising a child - intent to cause harm or neutral imposition of will? Do you judge this by intent, or by results?

Ha ha ha.

Dear Thrill. You know I'm always quick to give up debating with you for a good reason.

by Spatial Mind

Ha ha ha.

Dear Thrill. You know I'm always quick to give up debating with you for a good reason.

This is the first time you and I have ever come close to debating anything.

We see things very differently. Debating would be pointless anyway.

I read a story recently about a British soldier who had a certain wounded German corporal at the end of his gun in WW1. Being, a compassionate guy that he is (what what), and after much deliberation, he let the German corporal run free to live another day. Good guy indeed one may say, as this was even before the 1949 Genova Convention.

What if the said British officer had killed the wounded German corporal in cold blood, even after he had pleaded for his life?! Jolly good show, some may say. That British soldier is an evil coward bastard, may come the response from others! What about karma! He'll get it coming back to him ten fold, if not in this life, then in the next! How could he possibly live with himself after doing some an evil act. What's one German soldier compared to many? What if the German soldier had a family back home, wife, kids. How could the British soldier possibly live with himself!?

In hindsight, I'm sure most would agree the British soldier had done the right and just thing in the end. And when his time has come to meet his maker, there shall be a place waiting for him in heaven, regardless of his past mistakes.

What if I told you that, some time later, the same wounded German corporal went on to become the biggest mass murderer the world has ever had the misfortune of seeing, being responsible for over 60 million deaths of men, women and children. 

What if I told you that the said WW1 wounded German corporal was none other than Adolf Hitler himself! 

Adolf Hitler wasn't evil. He made choices, which became actions and those actions had consequences. Why do they have to be labelled as good or evil?

The point of my post was to provoke thought. I never offered my opinion on good vs evil, even though my Swedish great, great grandfather was killed at the very end of the first world war ;)

by hypercube

If you ask me, the rule of law itself is evil.

In what way? And what would be the 'good' alternative?

Well Cuby. In the real world, the law is twisted in ways that that suit the rich, and even more so for the powerful. Marijuana is illegal just so corporations can sell you the same items, but it's made from materials of inferior in quality. That is just 1 of many examples. Tobacco and alcohol do real damage and are legal, where as the green has healing properties for various ailments and is superior to any drug ( no drug even heals).

If you want to look at modern law, for American's in particular. It is legal for the government to detain people indefinitely without trial. This is the N.D.A.A. The American constitution is pretty much dead thanks to new laws being passed. FEMA is real as are FEMA camps. 

It is long and drawn out, but as you yourself said in your next paragraph in regards to Middle Eastern law......

There is also the cause for greater good. A criminal knows the risks they getting caught and locked up is part of that. They willed their actions knowing the price they must pay for getting caught. For most, prison is a purification of the self. I know quite a few people who been to jail, and today, they are quite successful.

Homosexuals in Middle Eastern prisons - greater good or not? It might seem like I'm pointlessly playing devil's advocate, but my point is that any attempt to define objective, concrete evil has flaws.

I did say how I think law is evil, and explained a little on your request.

There are many homosexuals in prisons around the world. Nothing wrong with that, unless they are in prison for being homosexual.

When I say the world criminal, I'm talking about those who commit crimes against humanity. In this case, it is an imposition of will to arrest someone just because they found someone to partake in sodomy. No rape, no uncalled for harm.

Intent to cause harm = Imposition of will. Every time.

A parent raising a child - intent to cause harm or neutral imposition of will? Do you judge this by intent, or by results?

It goes 2 ways. Allow the child to run the show = imposition of will just the same.

Allowing the child the run the show is very harmful on so many levels.

This is not a war for the greater good, do what's obviously best, and everything will turn out fine.