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The issue is objectification.

And you're nitpicking this list to find reasons to exclude these women.  Here are some facts, Xena...

Mariah Carey -   born and raised in New York, and had a difficult childhood. Raised with her two older sisters by a single mother who was a former opera singer w/o a job, Mariah and her siblings were often forced to move around and stay with friends. "Those were frightening periods," Carey has said of her childhood. "I always felt like the rug could be pulled out from under me at any time."  

Celine Dion - Dion was born in Charlemagne, Quebec, Canada, the youngest of 14 children of Thérèse, a homemaker, and Adhémar Dion, a butcher, both of French-Canadian descent. Dion was raised a Roman Catholic in a poverty-stricken home. 

Jewel was middle-class and raised by singers so she's privileged?  lol, have you read her account of her childhood?  Here's some of what she says, without going into detail about how abusive her father was to her mother and she...  "She married Yule Kilcher, who was a young idealist who hiked across the Alaskan glaciers by foot, with a ladder on his back, which he used to bridge crevasses in the ice so he could walk over them. He was looking for adventure and new land, away from the Nazi movement. Alaska was still not a state, so he was given (as all takers were) 600 acres of land for free if he promised to homestead it. 

I got my love of language from Yule. He studied the origins of languages. Ruth taught all her 8 children (she gave birth to most of them alone in a dirt floored log cabin!) to sing and play instruments. I was raised outdoors on the same homestead my family settled. 

We lived far from town. We had to walk 2 miles just to get to the saddle barn I was raised in... No running water, no heat- we had a coal stove and an outhouse and we mainly lived off of what we could kill or can. We picked berries and made jam. We caught fish to freeze and had gardens and cattle to live on. I rode horses every day in the summer beneath the Alaskan midnight sun. 

My parents divorced when I was 8...I moved out on my own when I was 15. I had a cabin not far from my dad’s. It had one room and no water, no plumbing, and I worked several jobs. I rode a horse 12 miles into town for work and left my horse at my aunt’s place (who lived close to town) then hitch-hiked the rest of the way in."

I'm not going to defend each woman to you.  Suffice to say that these women, each in her own way, exemplify taking on the challenges of life as a woman and making her own way -  no objectification for any of them.  

That's the point I was making... but I doubt you'll see it as you seem to really want to keep your view of how put down women are by men. 

I bet if people were encouraged to do more artistic stuff in schools, this sort of objectification wouldn't happen

And if they are painting nudes? , or do you think that the simple act of artistic expression would magically nullify any propensity for objectification?.

Hey Xena... wanna get together and do a project? Lame I know... but I'm doing lots of stuff that you might like, and hey if you are doing anything I might like... well... I got lots of free time...

And if they are painting nudes? , or do you think that the simple act of artistic expression would magically nullify any propensity for objectification?.

I mean if someone doesn't feel valuable on the inside and they are only recognized for their superficial surface features, and the whole world is screaming that objectification of women is a problem, well that has seriously got to fuk with peoples minds.

I am in psychologist mode.

"The masses tend to be lead by a unified voice or cause."
Er… the "unified voice" is that not the voice of the masses, which is what is being ignored by the powers that be. 

"people are just lumps of behaviors given ignorance of that simple truth. Even our attempting to guide what we do itself is the product of other things."

Really? You don't think people (like yourself) possess capacity for critical thinking beyond our base instincts? Even if those thoughts fall within a societal created framework.  

 

It shows me that we are just the product of our nature, nurture, and surroundings. Free will is fake.

When I saw this question you posted, thoughts occurred to me, and continue to occur as I type this. These things are coming from me because of the life I lead, the sights I've seen, and the things I've been taught. The notion of "free will" is really just a mistaken way of seeing that we do not know what we will do next or how it will all end, but this does not stop our behaviors, thoughts, feelings, from being automatic from the things around us from both past and present. Even our sense of wonder is simply the byproduct of our current context, the memories imprinted on us that we can and can't consciously access, and chemicals firing off in the brain that give you the illusion of it all.

Because we didn't know how an outcome would play out in advance, we assume that how it happened was chance, when really, it was multiple complex variables playing a very very lengthy game of dominos.

It all means nothing, all life is is time passing until it hits it's last moment. We can make a purpose or meaning out of life all we want, but even that is just the very same illusion of free will. The truth is that our responses are not something we control, but something that we assume we control from lack of knowing any better.


Edit: "Really? You don't think people (like yourself) possess capacity for critical thinking beyond our base instincts?"

I can critically think, but it's not because I chose to, it is because I believe I chose to do so.

People posses things such as style and grace, and harmonies, and song and dance, they are full of expression.

They are slightly robotic at the core, but nobody knows that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9sOYPT5UY

I mean they are all fully institutionalized anyways... commerical TV culture dominates the majorities minds.

Free will is fake

Or time is infintely looping as without some sort of loop perhaps it would collapse, and there was free will once, and once only, but now to enternity, it will loop endlessly or cease to exist, meaning everything is predetermined, because we already made our choices.

See... it is not that easy to figure out...

Yep. Because it's true. But you won't see it my way bc you believe that "men are natural born leaders."

I think you did find 20 women who fit my criteria, tho. Or something close to that number. It's a start.

The flaws in dancing, singing, any form of art that makes it seem more "raw" is just an impression we're given from seeing it. The reason why it being done robotically looks freakish is because of the uncanny valley.

With enough time, we won't even be able to tell the difference.

Holy shit Turncoat, you could suck the joy right out of dark matter !.....

But an interesting response, thanks. I'll think more on it.

No way... the matriarchy system is the natural one in a Utopian environment if you ask me. Women lead children from day one, they are the natural born nurturers, hence the best leaders.

Once war breaks out, evolution and things such as physical roles at war, and at home with the children change that a little, and you see the huge messes it's caused in history. WWI, WWII, and so on... male pride, male power, and overbearing sense of control...

@turncoat - computers cannot even predict if a coin will land heads or tales with absolute accuracy, and by the time they do, it will have consumed so many resources that it will be entirely impracticle, and will require a totally controlled environment. A clean room, with no wind, a precision robot to flip the coin, and a surface that does not dent or tarnish for the coin to land, and a coin that is fully perfectly round. Machines haven't even been able to make a perfect sphere yet. Near perfect, but not perfect. Probabilities are the only thing that are real.