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 I'm looking for the other group, for the ones whose goals and values aren't determined by this society.

 Hmmm...and if that is the case, they may not be going in the same thought/ wavelength direction as yourself and pretty much plotted their own course.

Doing your own thinking doesn't often lend itself well to team efforts and not on something of the scale you may perhaps be suggesting. What exactly are you driving at in the round about fashion you are going at it?

We are "stuck" in society, but there is a but, acceptance and the mask of normalcy is not a requirement per se unless someone is really trying to ingratiate himself on a grander scale for whatever reasons.

I'd like to mention that thanks to my previous ignorance of psychology and such things (my ignorance lasts but is a bit smaller) it was probably wrong to limit the search at "sociopaths". Some of them might have proper attributes but it could be better to direct at INTJ or INTP and similar sort of people.

and if that is the case, they may not be going in the same thought/
wavelength direction as yourself and pretty much plotted their own
course. Doing your own thinking doesn't often lend itself well to
team efforts and not on something of the scale you may perhaps be
suggesting.

We are all humans (well some more or less than others) and if we would follow logic, there should be possible to identify some common ground.

Right now I'm not suggesting anything, in the first post I wrote that I'd like to know where have been such people led in their lives with their choices and logic.

We are "stuck" in society, but there is a but, acceptance and the mask
of normalcy is not a requirement per se unless someone is really trying
to ingratiate himself on a grander scale for whatever reasons.

Yes we are pretty stuck right now, there is almost no where to go on this planet. Last time when the weird/unhappy/different/unsatisfied people were able to leave the society and start their own the USA was born (but it's fire is almost gone now).

There are two possible direction for people who don't want to waste their existence in current society - do big/crazy things and leave this planet or stay do big/crazy things and change the stupid short sighted direction of current society. None of this would be possible for people who completely reject what we have now so mask is necessary.

And know someone can thing I'm completely crazy, I'm very much aware that chance of success in doing something really big is only infinitesimal, but so what. If one doesn't even try one waste his life anyway.

by DarkAges

I'm not sure I got everything you said because your english is somewhat broken  but I'm gonna try to answer anyway.

Except for a very few exceptions most of us walk a thin line between darkness and light (I hate that metaphor but it does the job).

That said most sociopaths are born manipulators and con artists, if you read the PCL-R you'll see these two points:

• parasitic lifestyle
• cunning and manipulating

So there you go, by definition sociopaths do those things naturally. Now of course as you mentioned someone could try to control those tendencies but being in denial of one's true nature is a sure way to accumulate frustration down the line.

Now to nuance all this, not every sociopath is manipulating people & living a parasitic lifestyle at the same level. There are gradations if you will, some of us do it on a small scale, some of us on a larger scale . Furthermore being 'cunning and manipulative'  could be perceived as desirable attributes in certain situations/jobs.

 

 Deny your nature until it reveals itself despite your best efforts to the contrary?

Scratch the parasitic shit, leave that for the scum sucking low lives who haven't the intelligence to fend for themselves.

Lie/ manipulate/ play the system at it's own game. Neither black nor white, but the gray line where life is interesting. Based on my own code of being, that puts me in the light.

I tried it. My psychopathic side always wins. Even when I think I'm doing right, it is only because I'm ignoring the wrong as I'm doing it. It is so hard to tell right from wrong when they feel exactly the same. I can justify any action I make, which makes it so I'm more likely to perform actions that directly benefit me.

I try to live as what people would consider to be a good person but suppressing who you are becomes frustrating and the pot tends to boil over occasionally so to speak.

In my opinion identity is what "translates" personal assumtions into behaviour. I was quite anti-social until I realized that my view on humans was (and still is) flawed. I have the impression that many sociopaths here identify with their anti-social behaviour and some even think it's necessary because of "advantage in survival". It's not hardwired in your brain. You made conclusions about the world and accepted it as a fact that you need to fight with society.

We can't change our genes or what happened to us at some point in our lives but we can question our point of view and our goals.

My goal is to live a healthy and truly happy life. I don't have to become a "good" person to achieve this goal but being anti social by default only led me into isolation, hatred and frustration. Constantly fighting someone you could be friends with isn't a very successfull strategy on the long run. I am still manipulative and lie from time to time if i see fit but the reasons I do it have changed and I claim that my existence has a positive impact on society and my social network now.

by retsiger

You made conclusions about the world and accepted it as a fact that you need to fight with society.

We can't change our genes or what happened to us at some point in our lives but we can question our point of view and our goals.

My goal is to live a healthy and truly happy life. I don't have to become a "good" person to achieve this goal but being anti social by default only led me into isolation, hatred and frustration. Constantly fighting someone you could be friends with isn't a very successfull strategy on the long run. I am still manipulative and lie from time to time if i see fit but the reasons I do it have changed and I claim that my existence has a positive impact on society and my social network now.

 Similar, but still , best to keep quiet about a few things. Otherwise, the fact that I don't really care too much about what happens to society, be it war or what have you throws people off. Feigning interest in the ludicrous manner in which society operates is more draining than banal pleasantries of discussion about recent TV shows.

WW3 is coming!!! Really? Blow me over, and then what? Worry about something over which I have no personal control? For what?

Wander about within society by virtue of the fact that I exist, but I have no interest in it other than to scoot through it and live a calm, peaceful and productive existence.

Rule #1 Don't get caught.

I think if you're looking for moral, you came to the wrong place, as that's a pretty bendable topic. 

I would never chose a different way of living because I would 'make others feel better with it', mostly because, to be honest: They don't know. Why would anyone give up the comfort in a way like that: A. admitting to someone you don't care about that you are wrong, even though you don't think it is wrong to begin with - and B. letting all the great chances slide away. 

Society is corrupted in its own way, so...?

by QDB

I think if you're looking for moral, you came to the wrong place, as that's a pretty bendable topic. 

I would never chose a different way of living because I would 'make others feel better with it', mostly because, to be honest: They don't know. Why would anyone give up the comfort in a way like that: A. admitting to someone you don't care about that you are wrong, even though you don't think it is wrong to begin with - and B. letting all the great chances slide away. 

Society is corrupted in its own way, so...?

 Bendable of course, but there are some pretty obvious thoughts and actions that have not much of anything to do with morality. And not only that, if you are even capable of understanding the concept of morality then there are not too many excuses are there?

Waving the flag of Morality and I am so smart and could care so little about it and its effects on others so I am going to do whatever I want, is the mental functioning of a retarded child if that. lol  Not that I have not been guilty of doing precisely that myself and could care less. Hypocrisy is a beautiful beast that bites one's ass.

Which comes down to the simple question of your own choice in being. Knowing what you are and capable of, and giving into the urges and compulsions due to lack of control over yourself? Doesn't say much for the supposed "evolution" and superiority of the SPD, PPD. No different than drooling on yourself and filling your diapers and crying to Society to clean your ass for you as you remain incapable of the most basic fundamentals.