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I'm not sure I got everything you said because your english is somewhat broken  but I'm gonna try to answer anyway.

Except for a very few exceptions most of us walk a thin line between darkness and light (I hate that metaphor but it does the job).

That said most sociopaths are born manipulators and con artists, if you read the PCL-R you'll see these two points:

• parasitic lifestyle
• cunning and manipulating

So there you go, by definition sociopaths do those things naturally. Now of course as you mentioned someone could try to control those tendencies but being in denial of one's true nature is a sure way to accumulate frustration down the line.

Now to nuance all this, not every sociopath is manipulating people & living a parasitic lifestyle at the same level. There are gradations if you will, some of us do it on a small scale, some of us on a larger scale . Furthermore being 'cunning and manipulative'  could be perceived as desirable attributes in certain situations/jobs.

Yep, I'm not native, sorry for that (I'm use to make very long sentences in my native language and english isn't build for that (or maybe it is and I don't have sufficient skill yet)). Well some information did get through.

There is a problem with your definition, its shaped for people who are somewhat problematic to normal society. Lets for moment use other aspects which could specify sociopathic person (high intelligence, possibly dampened emotion levels, greater awareness of processes behind emotions and the ability to control them in you and manipulate them in others, lack of real empathy, not mentioning the remorse and so forth).

I know that you feel like the concept of manipulation is born to you, but I don't think it is. As a child, you have accepted some of the values of normal society around you and manipulation is just easy way to fulfill them. In those aspect you are the same as normal people, you are just better at them (thanks to the losen boundaries).

Imagine that you would have a fresh start and haven't been exposed to this civilization but something else (your mind have a time to grew up out of monkey stupidity on other planet or whatever) and then you would came to contact with this primitive culture with its idiotic values, rituals and behavior, to people that are acting based on things they don't control nor often understands.

You would be a clean paper from the point of humanity and you would have a many choices, interfere or not, help or parasite, be good or evil and so on.

I don't know if you would still classified such people as a sociopaths, but it closest therm to it I could find.

Very iffy.

That's to say I treat people with decency and try to give everyone the befit of the doubt, yet I still remain utterly cynical in my judgement.

I never let people lead me into places, from which only submissiveness results.

Yet I lead people into places, where they are able to make the most 'right' choice they can.

None of us are an image of utter light and none of us are an image of utter darkness.

Despite the apparent lack of free will, we are all able to make choices to countermand our predispositions.

As it has been pointed out before, I'm a 'good idiot' and am happy with the label.

The only reason that I don't parasite off individuals is because, as you have said, I feel that it is a waste of time. My earliest maxim was:

Go for the greater prize rather than the lesser.

This meant I found it easier to curtail behaviours like parasitism and executing people which would have indicated my advantage as a psychopath and also lead to my potential imprisonment, which would have been so boring. In other words wait until you are powerful enough to act as you want with impunity, or when no one is watching...

Imagine that you would have a fresh start and haven't been exposed to this civilization but something else (your mind have a time to grew up out of monkey stupidity on other planet or whatever) and then you would came to contact with this primitive culture with its idiotic values, rituals and behavior, to people that are acting based on things they don't control nor often understands.

You would be a clean paper from the point of humanity and you would have a many choices, interfere or not, help or parasite, be good or evil and so on.

If I understand you correctly you're asking me what if I hadn't been raised in our society and thus would be like a blank sheet of paper waiting to be filled.

In other words the question you're asking is the eternal question of nature vs nurture: Are sociopaths born that way or are they somehow created by society? Simply put we don't really know. Most scientists think that it's a combination of both.

It's been well established by science than sociopaths' brains are wired differently than 'normal' people's ones so even if on the one hand we do have a choice with regard to our behavior since we all have free will, on the other hand our personality does come into play when comes the time to make a decision.

Since sociopaths have a personality disorder, it is bound to manifest itself through those decisions. There's a certain compulsion to it. 

That said it is a spectrum disorder so it's only fitting that you'd encounter the whole gamut of human behavior among sociopaths from criminals to high-functioning members of our society.

I know what you mean, except the part of "act as you want with impunity" - it's a stupid goal. 

If I understand you correctly you're asking me what if I hadn't been raised in our society and thus would be like a blank sheet of paper waiting to be filled.

Well, yes and no. I said "clean paper from the point of humanity". Humanity as you know it, don't have to be all that is out there. More preciously what I've meant - your brain would be developed enough to not simply accept all the shit you saw when they put you in the kindergarten (pathetic competition and "power struggles", mental patterns and behaviour of others which they wouldn't be able to left behind until their deaths).

You could chose to be part of their little games and lifes or you could chose the opposite. You would still have to live in this society and in order to do that you would have to manipulate, parasite on small or rather on big scale an so on. The difference would be in your goals and values which wouldn't be bound in the scale of normal humanity (to which normal sociopath, who can do himself off by a power he achieved or what "master game" he plays, is still bound).

I'm looking for the other group, for the ones whose goals and values aren't determined by this society.

You would still have to live in this society ... I'm looking for the other group, for the ones whose goals and values aren't determined by this society.

But there's a paradox right there. If you live in this society, even if it's all part of a 'mask of normalcy', in a way you are bound by its rules. Now there are people that choose to live a profoundly anti-social lifestyle (serial killers come to mind) but their actions are still framed by the society they live in even if their goal is to destroy it/take revenge upon it.

Perhaps it would be clearer if you gave an example of what you're looking for.

Of course that you are bound and you have to partially neel. Everybody is bounded in many ways, but you don't have to be bound in your goals and values.

As a psycho you can take your life without a remorse and shoot it as a bullet towards the goals you chose, you will probably fail if its really big (so what, billions of people failed or failing even to have a goal in their life) or you may not. Biological predetermination should be sufficient to help you specify your goals (when you use logic unspoiled by the world around you).

I'm looking for people who have chosen to try something greater than a primitive power struggles everybody does.