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I forgot to respond to this...

I never denied that the heart has an electromagnetic field - as far as I
understood it that's how heart scans such as EEGs operate. But what you
were saying is that some people have the ability to sense other
people's emotions through these electromagnetic fields. Which is not
supported by anything you wrote above.

What I've been saying, is that the heart is transmitting signals. And to add, it's doing it like a radio.

If anything, I said something along the lines of "Empath's are said to pick up on the emotions of others within a close proximity" I also said science does not believe in Empaths, nor is it a real word, other than when we see them in science fiction.

My personal thoughts on whether or not cognitive empathy exists ? Well, I never made mention of that. But here.

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The brain is complicated to the point where I cannot make any claims about it picking up radio signals.( Radio signals are electric, we have been sending sound, picture, and data through radio waves for awhile now, and we can even power things through the air.  

What's interesting though, is how they have been tinkering with the brain using electromagnetic induction techniques to stimulate it.

One day if they find out that the brain is so sensitive to electromagnetism, it literally has the potential to pick up the signal from other people's field's, then I wouldn't see any reason to be all that surprised, so I have my money on that. In this case the signals for it to read are already there. 

by Spatial Mind

I forgot to respond to this...

I never denied that the heart has an electromagnetic field - as far as I
understood it that's how heart scans such as EEGs operate. But what you
were saying is that some people have the ability to sense other
people's emotions through these electromagnetic fields. Which is not
supported by anything you wrote above.

What I've been saying, is that the heart is transmitting signals. And to add, it's doing it like a radio.

It's a bit of a leap of the imagination to go from 'the heart has an electromagnetic field' to 'the heart emits radio signals for others to read', dontcha think?

If anything, I said something along the lines of "Empath's are said to pick up on the emotions of others within a close proximity" I also said science does not believe in Empaths, nor is it a real word, other than when we see them in science fiction.

No, but that's just a question of semantics. We'll call them 'people who experience empathy' then.

My personal thoughts on whether or not cognitive empathy exists ? Well, I never made mention of that. But here.

What's that got to do with anything? Surely the people picking up these 'radio signals' would be experiencing affective empathy, not cognitive.

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What's the point of these?

The brain is complicated to the point where I cannot make any claims about it picking up radio signals.

So basically you can't provide any proof to back up your point of view. I'm not trying to ridicule your opinion. I just think it should be presented as an opinion or a theory, not masqueraded as scientifically proven fact.  

What's interesting though, is how they have been tinkering with the brain using electromagnetic induction techniques to stimulate it.

Who is they?

One day if they find out that the brain is so sensitive to electromagnetism, it literally has the potential to pick up the signal from other people's field's, then I wouldn't see any reason to be all that surprised, so I have my money on that. In this case the signals for it to read are already there. 

 Yeah, well I think a lot of people would be surprised. But this hasn't been proven and you're acknowledging that now, whereas before you were trying to present it as scientific fact.

by Gypsy

by Spatial Mind

I forgot to respond to this...

I never denied that the heart has an electromagnetic field - as far as I
understood it that's how heart scans such as EEGs operate. But what you
were saying is that some people have the ability to sense other
people's emotions through these electromagnetic fields. Which is not
supported by anything you wrote above.

What I've been saying, is that the heart is transmitting signals. And to add, it's doing it like a radio.

It's a bit of a leap of the imagination to go from 'the heart has an electromagnetic field' to 'the heart emits radio signals for others to read', dontcha think?

 

No dear. Radio waves are electromagnetic waves. In the heart's case, it's, mood/change of pulse/frequency of field.

If anything, I said something along the lines of "Empath's are said to pick up on the emotions of others within a close proximity" I also said science does not believe in Empaths, nor is it a real word, other than when we see them in science fiction.

No, but that's just a question of semantics. We'll call them 'people who experience empathy' then.

 

I often avoid using the term Empath to avoid unnecessary debate or being dismissed by those who won't accept it.

My personal thoughts on whether or not cognitive empathy exists ? Well, I never made mention of that. But here.

What's that got to do with anything? Surely the people picking up these 'radio signals' would be experiencing affective empathy, not cognitive.

 

Yes affective empathy, thank you.

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What's the point of these?

I make those whenever I'm changing the subject, or if I'm done addressing someone.

 

The brain is complicated to the point where I cannot make any claims about it picking up radio signals.

So basically you can't provide any proof to back up your point of view. I'm not trying to ridicule your opinion. I just think it should be presented as an opinion or a theory, not masqueraded as scientifically proven fact.  

 

Did I not say "science does not believe in Empath's" , Twice ?

What is scientifically proven, is that the heart is transmitting frequencies in the air.

Oh maybe I shouldn't say it like that, it sounds like magical thinking. But that's what it's doing.

What's interesting though, is how they have been tinkering with the brain using electromagnetic induction techniques to stimulate it.

Who is they?

The people you trust and have faith in to supply you with proof of course. I don't remember names, but what you want to look up is called Trans-cranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS

One day if they find out that the brain is so sensitive to electromagnetism, it literally has the potential to pick up the signal from other people's field's, then I wouldn't see any reason to be all that surprised, so I have my money on that. In this case the signals for it to read are already there. 

 Yeah, well I think a lot of people would be surprised. But this hasn't been proven and you're acknowledging that now, whereas before you were trying to present it as scientific fact.

 What I presented, is...

- The heart sends frequencies.

- Science does not believe Empath's exists

I don't see how I'm trying to present the brain's reception of other people's fields as a scientifically proven fact.

Yes people will be surprised, but not to sound like a conceited ass or anything, but the heart is already transmitting a signal therefore I for one would not be surprised if the brain is capable of receiving the message, since electromagnetic stimulation CAN stimulate the brain. 

Strangely enough, answers always seem to be right under our noses before they come around.

by Spatial Mind

 Did I not say "science does not believe in Empath's" , Twice ?

What is scientifically proven, is that the heart is transmitting frequencies in the air.

Oh maybe I shouldn't say it like that, it sounds like magical thinking. But that's what it's doing.

Are you saying that science doesn't believe the concept of empathy exists? Because there has been quite a bit of scientific research done on empathy, I don't think anyone is seriously denying its existence. I thought we were using the term 'empath' to mean people who experience empathy for the purposes of this conversation.

And no, it hasn't been proven that the heart transmits frequencies in the air. There is a big difference between the heart generating electricity, and the idea that these waves are deliberately emitted for others to read. That's all I'm asking you to provide proof of.

What's interesting though, is how they have been tinkering with the brain using electromagnetic induction techniques to stimulate it.

Who is they?

The people you trust and have faith in to supply you with proof of course. I don't remember names, but what you want to look up is called Trans-cranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS

That is interesting, but I don't see how it supports your idea. TMS seems to be a technique that has been around for a while to provide relief for conditions like depression, but as far as I'm aware no research has been done with heart waves, or indeed concerning empathy at all. Noone is suggesting that the signals sent by the heart are anywhere near as strong as the ones in TMS or have the same effect.

One day if they find out that the brain is so sensitive to electromagnetism, it literally has the potential to pick up the signal from other people's field's, then I wouldn't see any reason to be all that surprised, so I have my money on that. In this case the signals for it to read are already there. 

 Yeah, well I think a lot of people would be surprised. But this hasn't been proven and you're acknowledging that now, whereas before you were trying to present it as scientific fact.

 What I presented, is...

- The heart sends frequencies.

- Science does not believe Empath's exists

I don't see how I'm trying to present the brain's reception of other people's fields as a scientifically proven fact.

Yes people will be surprised, but not to sound like a conceited ass or anything, but the heart is already transmitting a signal therefore I for one would not be surprised if the brain is capable of receiving the message, since electromagnetic stimulation CAN stimulate the brain. 

Strangely enough, answers always seem to be right under our noses before they come around.

Erm, because you said this like it was scientifically proven fact:

by Spatial Mind

The heart produces an electromagnetic field which transmits different signature expressions based on the beholder's mood. An Empath as far as we're told will absorb the emotions of those within close proximity of them.

"It's no secret, when we experience various emotions, the heart tends to "switch gears" if you will."

Just how a person's heartbeat can change as they feel intense emotion, so too does it affect how you breathe. Does this mean your lungs are in charge of emotional states?

Aspects of the entire body respond when going through emotional states. To say how the heart responds is tied to emotional empathy contagion, and isn't just a product of the emotion itself, a symptom of it, seems about as silly as the lungs being in charge of emotions.

I'd at least need further evidence.

by Gypsy

by Spatial Mind

 Did I not say "science does not believe in Empath's" , Twice ?

What is scientifically proven, is that the heart is transmitting frequencies in the air.

Oh maybe I shouldn't say it like that, it sounds like magical thinking. But that's what it's doing.

Are you saying that science doesn't believe the concept of empathy exists? Because there has been quite a bit of scientific research done on empathy, I don't think anyone is seriously denying its existence. I thought we were using the term 'empath' to mean people who experience empathy for the purposes of this conversation.

No. What I'm saying is science does not believe Empath's exist. Like Mr. Spock by definition would be an empath, Someone who not only experiences, but can also control other people's emotions. The word empath came about from an old Marvel Comic, before it got plugged itself into the vocabulary.

 

And no, it hasn't been proven that the heart transmits frequencies in the air. There is a big difference between the heart generating electricity, and the idea that these waves are deliberately emitted for others to read. That's all I'm asking you to provide proof of.

Sure it's been proven. I linked you to how they have been researching the heart's electromagnetic field yet again.

It's amazing how you've failed to quote me when I pointed out what radio waves are made of. They are in fact electromagnetic radiation, and this is produced from electromagnetic fields. This is why we are able to interfere with radio transmissions, sometimes without touching the antenna.

The heart's electromagnetic field, like all electromagnetic fields, IS a wireless transmission. It is being detected by some of our technology in and out of the lab. It has various frequency's, as the heart has various speeds and aggressions. 

What's interesting though, is how they have been tinkering with the brain using electromagnetic induction techniques to stimulate it.

Who is they?

The people you trust and have faith in to supply you with proof of course. I don't remember names, but what you want to look up is called Trans-cranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS

That is interesting, but I don't see how it supports your idea. TMS seems to be a technique that has been around for a while to provide relief for conditions like depression, but as far as I'm aware no research has been done with heart waves, or indeed concerning empathy at all. Noone is suggesting that the signals sent by the heart are anywhere near as strong as the ones in TMS or have the same effect.

 

Electromagnetism is being used to treat emotional distress. Why, our topic happens to be along those lines.

Also, you shouldn't base your thoughts on how things seem, when you don't understand the fact electromagnetism produces a frequency and are even willing to argue how it isn't. No offense or anything, but I can't respect that.

 

One day if they find out that the brain is so sensitive to electromagnetism, it literally has the potential to pick up the signal from other people's field's, then I wouldn't see any reason to be all that surprised, so I have my money on that. In this case the signals for it to read are already there. 

 Yeah, well I think a lot of people would be surprised. But this hasn't been proven and you're acknowledging that now, whereas before you were trying to present it as scientific fact.

 What I presented, is...

- The heart sends frequencies.

- Science does not believe Empath's exists

I don't see how I'm trying to present the brain's reception of other people's fields as a scientifically proven fact.

Yes people will be surprised, but not to sound like a conceited ass or anything, but the heart is already transmitting a signal therefore I for one would not be surprised if the brain is capable of receiving the message, since electromagnetic stimulation CAN stimulate the brain. 

Strangely enough, answers always seem to be right under our noses before they come around.

Erm, because you said this like it was scientifically proven fact:

by Spatial Mind

The heart produces an electromagnetic field which transmits different signature expressions based on the beholder's mood. An Empath as far as we're told will absorb the emotions of those within close proximity of them.

Hey look. I wrote "An empath as far as we're told" And yes, an empath will absorb the emotion within close proximity. Also, Ironman has armor that will come to him at his command.

But all that aside, the human heart "really is" transmitting a signal. No doubt, when we develop into having a higher awareness, we'll become more aware of these signals without machinery. Maybe some people already are reading these signals, as there are those who really claim to be feeling what others are feeling simply by being around them. Still this aspect is something no one can prove.

by Turncoat

"It's no secret, when we experience various emotions, the heart tends to "switch gears" if you will."

Just how a person's heartbeat can change as they feel intense emotion, so too does it affect how you breathe. Does this mean your lungs are in charge of emotional states?

Aspects of the entire body respond when going through emotional states. To say how the heart responds is tied to emotional empathy contagion, and isn't just a product of the emotion itself, a symptom of it, seems about as silly as the lungs being in charge of emotions.

I'd at least need further evidence.

 Oh please.

The heart demands oxygen. If you were diving without an oxygen tank, and you saw a great white coming for you, your heart rate will still increase, and you'll have less time to hold your breath.

The most profound answers to your question, can be found with any intense emotion. The heart will beat harder and faster, even if the subject is standing still. Don't tell me you need proof of this.

How it came to do so, or the process of how the heart shifted from A to B is besides the point and is kinda off topic.

by Spatial Mind

 

by Turncoat

"It's no secret, when we experience various emotions, the heart tends to "switch gears" if you will."

Just how a person's heartbeat can change as they feel intense emotion, so too does it affect how you breathe. Does this mean your lungs are in charge of emotional states?

Aspects of the entire body respond when going through emotional states. To say how the heart responds is tied to emotional empathy contagion, and isn't just a product of the emotion itself, a symptom of it, seems about as silly as the lungs being in charge of emotions.

I'd at least need further evidence.

 Oh please.

The heart demands oxygen. If you were diving without an oxygen tank, and you saw a great white coming for you, your heart rate will still increase, and you'll have less time to hold your breath.

The most profound answers to your question, can be found with any intense emotion. The heart will beat harder and faster, even if the subject is standing still. Don't tell me you need proof of this.

How it came to do so, or the process of how the heart shifted from A to B is besides the point and is kinda off topic.

 This is one of the most retarded things I've ever read. Have I missed something, or are you seriously arguing that the heart not the lungs must control emotions because people can't breathe underwater but the heart will still beat? Fucking lol.

When someone experiences extreme emotion, that the heart starts beating faster and emitting more waves or whatever does not equal that the heart controls the emotion or is transmitting secret messages. The reaction of the heart is a symptom not a cause, and there is no evidence to say other people can read the waves ffs. The pupils in the eyes dilate as well and the skin produces sweat, are the eyes and skin controlling emotion too? What is so special about the heart??

"No. What I'm saying is science does not believe Empath's exist. Like Mr. Spock by definition would be an empath, Someone who
not only experiences, but can also control other people's emotions. The word empath came about from an old Marvel Comic, before it got plugged itself into the vocabulary."

I'm going to repeat this for the third or fourth time now, and, since I don't know how t osay it any clearer than I said it before, I'm going to use both the bold and underline functions in the hope of somehow getting through to you: I am using the term 'empath' to refer to someone who has the capability to experience affective empathy. I don't care if that's not the scientifically correct term because 'person who has the capability to experience affective empathy' takes a while longer to type. You are arguing over semantics to distract from the real issue. 

Unless, as has just occurred to me, you are thinking there are a special race of super empaths who are the only ones able to read the heart waves. In which case we really are in the realms of science fiction.

And I haven't really watched start treck, but isn't Dr Spock the super logical aspie type?

"Sure it's been proven. I linked you to how they have been researching the heart's electromagnetic field yet again."

No it hasn't!! Do you understand what proof means?? Yeah, someone is researching something similar to what you suggested, but they haven't proven it yet. Right now it's just a theory. When they've finished their research and published their results then I'll believe it.

"The heart's electromagnetic field, like all electromagnetic fields, IS a wireless transmission. It is being detected by some of our technology in and out of the lab. It has various frequency's, as the heart has various speeds and aggressions."

The heart emits waves, we don't know it transmits them. And there is a bigger difference than just semantics on this one; emitting waves is just a natural by-product of the energy it produces, a symptom not a cause, whereas saying it transmits them is proposing that they are being deliberately transmitted for the purpose of being read by others. Which has been far from proven.

Okay fine this is your opinion, and I try to respect others' opinions nomatter how retarded they may seem to me. All I was saying is that if you're going to present something that's not common knowledge as scientific fact then you'd better be ready with proof to back it up.

I think it's kinda scary that you've probably got a degree and everything and yet you can't actually tell the difference between scientifically proven fact and any old shite that somebody puts on the internet.

I love it when people try to talk sense into Spatial :D He'll just go on and on in his own language and make these weird connections that are so out there...

About the chart with the colored people... I don't get it, does it show the field generated by the heart? Because in shame it shoots through the cheeks, for example.