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As with science and mapping genetics, as with everything, it all depends on whose hands it falls into. (Prevention)

I am wondering if the more common Autism and AntiSocialPD have become more prevalent to the point where society has contributed and sees this and is trying to change the perspective as the majority will increase in time. Are these evolutionary changes?

As for trying to change traditional sociopaths, it seems best if they can when they are young and even then.. Sometimes it is better to accept what we cannot change, learn about it, and then learn how to interact in the best manner or if not like us, learn how to protect ourselves. Everyone is an individual and has unique weaknesses and Achille's heels.

What do you define as extreme APDs? 

There may not be a cure, however there are many promising options for treatment and help depending on where one falls in the spectrum. There are a lot of cutting edge treatments compared to nothing in the 1980s.

I would not slap Autistics with anything other than the Autism label. Technically i'm supposed to be high functioning, however not Aspergers. 

So pardon moi if my wording is all over, it probably looks schizoid... shhh its a secret schizoid

How is ASPD not promising with behavioral treatment? As you say they are "confused" (how the fuck???) with one another, they are both treated with behavioral improvement therapy (also medications). 

Edit: What are exactly the symptoms that overlap between Autism and ASPD???? Lol.

Malevo, please qoute me specifically as i am confused exactly which parts you are confused about as to what i have said.

Both ASPD and the Autism spectrum stand a better chance of being helped when dealing with younger children. 

Behavioral Modification Therapy doesn't work for everyone. Personally, i thought it was a joke.

Now if it works for others, good for them. Different strokes for different folks.

Don't get exasperated

The point is ASPD is still diagnosed because it is different from all the other personalities.

ASPD is, bottom-line, a personality disorder. Of course treatment works differently for each individual, but you made it sound like ASPD is a hopeless case. They get better only if they have the desire to do so, first of all.

This topic has been catching my interest as I have been learning about the positive and negative characteristics of various anti-social personality disorders. I used the term extreme to specify sociopaths and psychopaths from other personality disorders. The difference between which seems to have become less clear, even by DSM standards, as current research develops. There is still that grey zone between empty mirroring and the strong determined personality.

An eloquent distinction between autism and psychopathy is that autistics feel emotional responses but do not understand them while psychopaths do not feel emotions yet are able to understand them in others (functionally I assume). The strongest responses seem to be of frustration and anger for socios/psychos.

The fact that there is no specific cure, and it is not considered a disease leads me to believe a cognitive approach is a good option. Understanding ones nature and developing tools to realize the potential of it can lead to sustainable satisfaction for many psychopaths and the like, as well as benefit society in general. They need to be supported as people and motivated to participate.

The difficulty is identifying other issues that are often intermixed such as OCD and schizophrenia, amongst others, and treating those along side.

Why would you think that with my "logic" Autistics would be given a different label?

That was nothing near what i was thinking. I highly doubt they would be relabeled.

Explain what my logic is and how you came to this conclusion? That would be interesting and your keeping me awake which is good.

by malevo

With your logic, autistic people would be slapped with another disorder label because there is no 'cure' for Autism.

 

by malevo

The point is ASPD is still diagnosed because it is different from all the other personalities.

ASPD is, bottom-line, a personality disorder. Of course treatment works differently for each individual, but you made it sound like ASPD is a hopeless case. They get better only if they have the desire to do so, first of all.

 You are referring to Anti Social PD and not Aspergers correct? I've seen people use ASPD to refer to Aspergers and it's terribly confusing as i've used it for AntiSocialPD.

Aspergers wasn't around until 1993...

What i am saying is that sometimes people cannot change, not if they do not want to change for themselves.

Malevo, are you saying you think people should just be changed since you don't like how they are?

As opposed to just being accepted for who they are?

(Not taking into account any quality of life issues)

A good reason to bring autism and Aspergers into the discussion is to exemplify the support they receive for treatment and socialization. Sociopaths and psychopaths are ostracized, and usually for good reason, for who they are. Early development can sometimes help, but anyone who has socio or psychopathy understands that they need motivation to join others. Their goals have to be understood and met in the process. They will not play nice or help for no reason.

I was always talking about ASPD. Asperger's a whole different world.

My shrink has said that many doctors don't diagnose sociopathy anymore do to that it cannot be cured, so they usually stick people with other personality disorders.

About the logic.

It cannot be "cured", so in order to make it seem people can be cured they slap another label on them. Neurological disorders can't be cured, only tamed, subdued, or detoured. 

The debate of whether it's genetic or not, I can't get enough of. Psychopathy is said to be genetic, while an abused person can drift into antisocial tendencies. 

Broken Piano just simplified it better than i could. ASPD is ostracized and as to whether or not one wants to be cured, it really is a personal choice.

Many people like who they are.

It seems with shows such as Dexter, The Fall, Sherlocke Holmes, main characters being ASPD spectrum, that the media is trying to get through to the public that ASPD folks can have good jobs, families, pretty much humanize them for a public that may think stereotypical bad things.

As for genetic vs environmental... that confuses me, as i see it possible in many cases for it to be both genetic and environmental. Personal cases...