Thrill, you are apparently the only one considering my words. Ill just say, if I never experienced love id think it was a tool too. Actually I did until recently.
Outta here u lil bug before u get stomped
by VirusThis is about the most stupid thing I've read here... ShittyDude.
by VirusAww... I've hurt your poor wittle feelings. You self righteous prick, as if this thread isn't troll fodder. you're begging for the attention love. And my question was very valid, truth you say. Truth is good? Little secret, sweetie, the truth is what I tell you it is... Don't ever forget it.
You really need to figure out how to quote properly.
So you are like a normal adult, who doesnt let their emotions over power them? But you don't feel long lasting happiness. You dont know why your happiness is so fleeting. I do. Because you invest your time in momentary pleasures instead of taking the work required for love. Relationships arent easy for anyone. But they are what make live worth living.
I have no desire to feel love. The only thing I know about love is that it makes people weak, gullible and irrational at times.
Only insecure, co-dependant people feel they need to be in a relationship to make life worth living. There are plenty of ways to enjoy life without being in a relationship with someone.
Meh, I mean weak cuz they act not true to themselves..but act fake cuz they think they wont be accepted. Basically they are very insecure.
lol. It has nothing to do with insecurity. It's just common sense to do what is required to blend in.
There is a stigma against people with AsPD, sociopathy and psychopathy. It would be foolish to openly admit to your aquaintances, friends and business colleagues that you're a sociopath. Not only would it destroy people's willingness to trust you, it could also destroy your credibility and in business that could have financially damaging results.
Look troll face... You come here to provoke. So do I, sometimes. But this mess of good and bad is bullshit. those are creations of the personal mental subject and can be spoon feed to weak minded individuals. Truth is good? Truth is you suck at this...
hope all you want... Hope breeds misery.
by The_TruthSociopaths are not at an advantage.. They are very capable at acheiving short term wants and desires. Acheiving short term goals. but they wont be happy.Why? They have no integrity. I believe being true to yourself brings happiness.They are willing to risk much to acheive these immediate rewards: including their word and their reputation. They are constantly trying to seek power, which is more easily acheived through strength and not deception. They are missing something. Its love. Now this is their weakness, not standing up for themselves. Which is a love for yourself. They would rather 'get back at someone' than establish a boundary in a 'adult way'. Therefore sociopaths are weak. They are children who never became adults, because either they werent loved themselves, or they lost it somewhere along the way. These are people without hope. Love is what I think gives you hope. These are some ideas that have been floati g around my head. Feel free to respond/ comment/ criticise. As my name implies im here for the truth. Id like to have some dicussion on the topic. So if anyone has something to say. Please dont hold back!
Id also like to add that in my opinion the real definition of a sociopath is a person who simply doesn't believe in integrity. They have deceived themselves into thinking lying will make things better. I read before that the thing a sociopath is jealous of most, is how others have self esteem. Its because they are loved for who they truly are. A sociopath thinks they cant be genuine and be loved. The funny thing, if they dropped the mask, stopped their hiding and faking ,LOL, poor sociopaths,they acted genuine, they could find someone who loves them.
I think you're onto something, and I agree with most of what you said. My saving moment came when I had finally won, and reached my goals... and realized that, perhaps, winning wasn't the best solution for me. But I was pulled forward by a compulsion I couldn't break. I had to reach my goal.
In the end, I was surrounded by healthy, happy, accepting people who were allowed to be themselves (as sappy as that sounds), with their demons intact. They were people, ironically, who had the potential to be sociopathic themselves, but instead were given a life where they had the choice of taking the higher route. They had been raised in not only healthy families, but ones that were accepting and open with them. This I believe, is the key.
That you mention that they're children who never become adults, is also true in my opinion. My mother's also a sociopath, and I didn't come to understand this about her until much later. She was severely repressed as a child, but at the same time quite capable of using her community's values and maximizing them to her benefit... at the expense of shuttering away her real, authentic self. Years later, married to my father, she has the house she wanted, the money she asked for, and the life she wanted... but she still can't take off the mask. It's as if she's become the mask, and her real self is hidden somewhere deep down inside, someplace dark, where she won't let free for fear of losing everything that she's worked for.
She's never had the experience that I had, and for that, I feel sorry for her.
by Thrill KillYou really need to figure out how to quote properly.
So you are like a normal adult, who doesnt let their emotions over power them? But you don't feel long lasting happiness. You dont know why your happiness is so fleeting. I do. Because you invest your time in momentary pleasures instead of taking the work required for love. Relationships arent easy for anyone. But they are what make live worth living.
I have no desire to feel love. The only thing I know about love is that it makes people weak, gullible and irrational at times.
Only insecure, co-dependant people feel they need to be in a relationship to make life worth living. There are plenty of ways to enjoy life without being in a relationship with someone.
Meh, I mean weak cuz they act not true to themselves..but act fake cuz they think they wont be accepted. Basically they are very insecure.
lol. It has nothing to do with insecurity. It's just common sense to do what is required to blend in.
There is a stigma against people with AsPD, sociopathy and psychopathy. It would be foolish to openly admit to your aquaintances, friends and business colleagues that you're a sociopath. Not only would it destroy people's willingness to trust you, it could also destroy your credibility and in business that could have financially damaging results.
I do need to quote properly.
lol, wrong. You can be perfectly mentally stable and want a relationship, and love.
I'm sure there are other ways to get some enjoyment out of life. But if love did provide a even fuller enjoyment in your life, thats not something you'd take advantage of?
And it is insecurity. You have not opened yourself up enough to anyone yet, you haven't trusted anyone 100% so you don't understand love. If you were honest about how you feel. About the individual problems in your life, told people your problems, you would be accepted. No one would call you a sociopath. You'd just be another person with problems. Sociopaths are the people who think they are missing empathy which makes them superior.. because they can do stuff others cant. The truth is Sociopaths are the weak, untrusting, , unhappy people in society....the inferiors....sad but true. These poor people have yet to find love.
"They are people without hope"
This is a bit of a stretch. SPs have their own version of hope; it's more like a certainty that things will go their way. And, if things don't go their way, they just change course till they do. Are they weak? Absolutely. That's why they live primarily parasitic lifestyles and generally amount to little.
"They are children who never became adults."
True. SPs are emotionally stunted, but I don't think that is something they can overcome. It just is what it is. Don't waste your pity. They don't want or need it.
by Redemptionby The_TruthSociopaths are not at an advantage.. They are very capable at acheiving short term wants and desires. Acheiving short term goals. but they wont be happy.Why? They have no integrity. I believe being true to yourself brings happiness.They are willing to risk much to acheive these immediate rewards: including their word and their reputation. They are constantly trying to seek power, which is more easily acheived through strength and not deception. They are missing something. Its love. Now this is their weakness, not standing up for themselves. Which is a love for yourself. They would rather 'get back at someone' than establish a boundary in a 'adult way'. Therefore sociopaths are weak. They are children who never became adults, because either they werent loved themselves, or they lost it somewhere along the way. These are people without hope. Love is what I think gives you hope. These are some ideas that have been floati g around my head. Feel free to respond/ comment/ criticise. As my name implies im here for the truth. Id like to have some dicussion on the topic. So if anyone has something to say. Please dont hold back!
Id also like to add that in my opinion the real definition of a sociopath is a person who simply doesn't believe in integrity. They have deceived themselves into thinking lying will make things better. I read before that the thing a sociopath is jealous of most, is how others have self esteem. Its because they are loved for who they truly are. A sociopath thinks they cant be genuine and be loved. The funny thing, if they dropped the mask, stopped their hiding and faking ,LOL, poor sociopaths,they acted genuine, they could find someone who loves them.
I think you're onto something, and I agree with most of what you said. My saving moment came when I had finally won, and reached my goals... and realized that, perhaps, winning wasn't the best solution for me. But I was pulled forward by a compulsion I couldn't break. I had to reach my goal.
In the end, I was surrounded by healthy, happy, accepting people who were allowed to be themselves (as sappy as that sounds), with their demons intact. They were people, ironically, who had the potential to be sociopathic themselves, but instead were given a life where they had the choice of taking the higher route. They had been raised in not only healthy families, but ones that were accepting and open with them. This I believe, is the key.
That you mention that they're children who never become adults, is also true in my opinion. My mother's also a sociopath, and I didn't come to understand this about her until much later. She was severely repressed as a child, but at the same time quite capable of using her community's values and maximizing them to her benefit... at the expense of shuttering away her real, authentic self. Years later, married to my father, she has the house she wanted, the money she asked for, and the life she wanted... but she still can't take off the mask. It's as if she's become the mask, and her real self is hidden somewhere deep down inside, someplace dark, where she won't let free for fear of losing everything that she's worked for.
She's never had the experience that I had, and for that, I feel sorry for her.
Wow, thanks for contributing this. It helps to confirm some of what I've been thinking. I'm happy to get the feedback I've gotten so far, I look forward to others opinions. Redemption, I'm going to ask you continue to read and contribute to this discussion if you can in anyway. In the end, we all wanna know the truth. In the end, the truth might hurt. So lets look for the truth. There is the idea that this "love" is an illusion. There is also the idea that this "love" is a powerful force. You've apparently seen the contrast from your mother, who apparently lives without love, compared to you and your life, with love. I will just say I've felt something similar in my life.. I'm not ready to share a story yet, though. But I think I can say love seems to be the way of happiness and peace, and indifference or hate seems to lead to sufferring.