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Questions on control, order, resolution process: Thrill Kill and Turncoat

"But Turncoat, if we don't resolve WHY they are misperceiving me (ie mistrust of my intentions) then EVERYTHING they look at is seen through that biased lens. That is what I was trying to resolve. otherwise EVERYTHING i do is still suspect. I WAS posting thoughtful replies on that thread, and they STILL insisted on complaining about other things. so it wasn't resolved. NO AMOUNT OF PROOF on my part is going to change whatever is causing them to project on their side. so it kept coming up!"

You're letting it get to you, causing this display of yours that only serves to make you look worse. People are going to say things, it happens. It's how much you let it affect you that judges how much impact the things they're saying must have, and how much more likely it will be to continue or attract bandwagon types.

"No, sorry this was not clear. I believe in taking each person's objections individually. Not taking one person's likes or dislikes and "imposing" that on others. I NEVER said anything here was "filthy". I enjoy the same things, but don't enjoy when other people DON'T like problems that could have been prevented without imposing on anyone. There are some problems that EVERYONE agrees could be fixed."

Your statement about junking up the forum, your wanting to direct topics to try to make them more organized, wanting to sort things, not content watching people have problems with one another, you clearly are not content with the way things are here, and aim to make things match your ideal through sheer insistence.

"For example, using PM to resolve conflicts directly between people, like TK and Damaged, or me and TK, would keep this out of public threads and would likely increase the chances of effective resolution."

See, even right here. Who cares that they have problems with each other? Why not let it run it's course? Who cares if it bleeds into other threads? If the topic is good, people will ignore the derailment. If the topic sucks, at least going off topic means people are still talking.

"As long as they verbalize the conflicts they have, I consider that an expression of wanting something to change or be corrected. Duh. "

Sometimes people just type because they want to express, not because of wanting any sort of correction from you.

Duh.

"Notice I was specific, I stated exactly what the points were and tried to explain and correct. So even that is considered acting out? Really?"

It's more of a general point really. Look at how people are responding to you even in this thread. It's not a conspiracy.

"Actually I was equally hoping to prove people wrong who assume  TK is too stupid to reasoned with. I believe resolving this will end equal misperceptions underestimating both my intent and her ability to reason. Whatever causes misperceptions of her is similar or related."

It's closer to too stubborn than too stupid if you ask me. Even so, why is TK's status your business? Did TK ask for your help here, or is this you putting yourself in the middle of it?

"I see nothing wrong with sticking to the truth and correcting falsehood. If the same openness to truth makes one vulnerable, it also enables people to receive greater understanding I'll take any day!"

It's how you're doing this that hurts your case, not the case itself.

"Like you said, we all have free speech. I can make suggestions day and night, like anyone else can. What difference does it make since I am not in charge? And yes we all have different ideas. That's why I trust people to say theirs, and trust Luna to listen to all of them."

You have free speech to suggest "all day and night", and they have free speech to oppose the things you say. We all do.

"And I am not all you either. So just because Ana/TK interpret what I am doing as having negative intent, or you would seek it as weakness, does NOT mean that is me, because I am NOT you."

Whether they are right or wrong isn't the issue here. You are hurting your own credibility with outbursts of this fashion, just as everyone else here who has done so before you from having their feelings hurt. If you want to keep carrying on in this fashion because you think it's empowering yourself, please, go on, watch how others respond toward it.

"This is what I mean by projection. I was NOT trying to impose any "one way of order or calling things bad" I was actually LISTENING to all these objections, and trying to help with ideas to AVOID those things in ways that people AGREED solve the problem WITHOUT causing new problems. I was making suggestions out of free speech like anyone else. So if others are trying to control things, that is them."

Your way of going about offering new ideas is to completely structure things. They (and I) are using our own free speech to oppose these ideas. If others use the free speech to speak against your character, that's their deal. You make it yours when you take it seriously and act like it's something that needs to be solved. If their insults were beneath you, you'd not feel the need to fix them so badly. Insults happen here, and there's nothing wrong with that.

"Without causing new problems"? Any form of someone overseeing another is strongly opposed here, even if it's from our fellow users. Granting sections that say where posts ought to be is only going to attempt to build structure that much more. Organizing topics into collectives is nice and convenient, but insisting others play along makes you appear to be a facilitator no one asked for. Why not embrace the chaos of this place instead of pushing how it could be changed? I can understand that need to sort everything into it's proper place, that's a large part of my own life, but this place is special, and ought to be exempt from that. The minute a set of behaviors are enforced is simply a catalyst for telling people how they ought to behave. This will either be met with opposition, or even worse, compliance, having people behave less naturally as a result.

"It is not fair to misjudge me just because that's what 'other people' do."

What here is "fair" exactly?

"When like you said, we are not like each other. but my intentions were constantly misjudged  and mistaken for motives of OTHER PEOPLE."

I'm starting to wonder if you see the possible damage of some of the ideas that have been proposed, or if you only see it as tidying up.

"Until that mistrust is resolved, no matter what I do, it will be viewed from that lens. once people have a bias "they haven't forgiven", they project it on everything else said and done. at some point it needs to be corrected at the source. Thanks for your efforts to look deeper."

Why do you need anyone here to trust you beyond those who already do? Not everyone is going to play along, and not everyone plays the forgiveness game.



"I got used to not posting under my name so people quit thinking I am trying to spam my name everywhere."

So... you aimed to change our perception of you deceptively, while thinking it's okay by revealing it's still you. Sort of... self-defeating isn't it, since we still see it's you? Instead, it actually makes the things you have to say look even more like spam with those puppets.

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Questions on control, order, resolution process: Thrill Kill and Turncoat

Jesus TC, how are your eyes not weeping blood?

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Questions on control, order, resolution process: Thrill Kill and Turncoat

I ask that about my eyes sometimes in general.

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