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Dear Turncoat: Thanks again for your constructive comments as always. If I set up an online conflict resolution team, for religious and political policies, I would hire you! To pick apart the ball of twine, and get all the knots loosened and untangled that are wrapped tight

Yours truly, Emily 

by Turncoat

E1. But Turncoat, if we don't resolve WHY they are misperceiving me (ie mistrust of my intentions) then EVERYTHING they look at is seen through that biased lens. That is what I was trying to resolve. otherwise EVERYTHING i do is still suspect.

I WAS posting thoughtful replies on that thread, and they STILL insisted on complaining about other things. so it wasn't resolved.

NO AMOUNT OF PROOF on my part is going to change whatever is causing them to project on their side. so it kept coming up!

T1. It's how you respond to the accusations that show who you are to the rest of us. The best way to prove an accusation wrong is through example. If it's true and that's not a problem for you, then not wearing that fact on you as a if it were a weakness is the other way to go. Making a big deal out of it only serves to make you look worse, and play right into their hands.


T2. The accusation though surfaces from you trying to make this place "better", referring to the state it's in as if it's something filthy. Many of the things you call problems people here enjoy, myself included.

E2. No, sorry this was not clear. I believe in taking each person's objections individually. Not taking one person's likes or dislikes and "imposing" that on others. I NEVER said anything here was "filthy". I enjoy the same things, but don't enjoy when other people DON'T like problems that could have been prevented without imposing on anyone.

There are some problems that EVERYONE agrees could be fixed.

For example, using PM to resolve conflicts directly between people, like TK and Damaged, or me and TK, would keep this out of public threads and would likely increase the chances of effective resolution.


T3. 
Not everyone wants resolution Emily. To seek it with those who don't want it only serves to hurt your own credibility. Those who do take you seriously ought to be enough.

E3. As long as they verbalize the conflicts they have, I consider that an expression of wanting something to change or be corrected. Duh. 

T4. 
Acting out only strengthens any cause that aims to tarnish your character.

E4. Notice I was specific, I stated exactly what the points were and tried to explain and correct. So even that is considered acting out? Really?

T5. 
Someone's word here only has as much weight as you and others give it. Having your behavior prove them right only grants them more credibility.

E5. Actually I was equally hoping to prove people wrong who assume  TK is too stupid to reasoned with. I believe resolving this will end equal misperceptions underestimating both my intent and her ability to reason. Whatever causes misperceptions of her is similar or related.

T6.  It's statements like these that feed trolls ammunition. The fact you take this so seriously pegs you as vulnerable.

E6. I see nothing wrong with sticking to the truth and correcting falsehood. If the same openness to truth makes one vulnerable, it also enables people to receive greater understanding I'll take any day!

T7. Still doesn't excuse your aim to say where content goes, how it's displayed, and how people ought to behave. We're not all you.

E7. Like you said, we all have free speech. I can make suggestions day and night, like anyone else can. What difference does it make since I am not in charge? And yes we all have different ideas. That's why I trust people to say theirs, and trust Luna to listen to all of them.

And I am not all you either. So just because Ana/TK interpret what I am doing as having negative intent, or you would seek it as weakness, does NOT mean that is me, because I am NOT you.

This is what I mean by projection. I was NOT trying to impose any "one way of order or calling things bad" I was actually LISTENING to all these objections, and trying to help with ideas to AVOID those things in ways that people AGREED solve the problem WITHOUT causing new problems. I was making suggestions out of free speech like anyone else. So if others are trying to control things, that is them.

It is not fair to misjudge me just because that's what 'other people' do.

When like you said, we are not like each other. but my intentions were constantly misjudged  and mistaken for motives of OTHER PEOPLE.

Until that mistrust is resolved, no matter what I do, it will be viewed from that lens. once people have a bias "they haven't forgiven", they project it on everything else said and done. at some point it needs to be corrected at the source. Thanks for your efforts to look deeper.

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Way to throw a tantrum, emily. lol

You are so vulnerable it's pathetic.

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by Thrill Kill

Way to throw a tantrum, emily. lol

You are so vulnerable it's pathetic.

 I am not you. So what to you is throwing a tantrum is me working out what is the problem so it can be removed.

the conflicts entangled here are like being taken apart on the operating table.

so yes, it may be a vulnerable process to go through. But I'd rather "cut out" all the ugly tumors blocking up the circulation causing cancer cells to build up and spread.

Rather than avoid it, where there is no chance to revive the natural health of the body.

Sorry you have to watch this grueling process. If we had PM we could do this in private.

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I get that this is some weird type of masturbation for your conflict fetish but manifesting it in the form of a messiah complex is a bit of a turn off for me.  Sorry.  You're just really not my type and that is one conflict that can't be resolved.

If it will help get you off though I can tell you that you're super important and what you are doing here really matters a lot.  You can be like President of Sociopathland or some shit.  I'm sure everyone will vote for you as soon as you convince them exactly how to interpret what you do.

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by Thrill Kill

Way to throw a tantrum, emily. lol

You are so vulnerable it's pathetic.

Another difference: I posted this thread to work out issues to SOLVE them.

What did you accomplish, TK, when "you threw a tantrum and posted ugly things"?

Which do you think was more productive? Saying nasty things like you did about Luna?

Or me posting out the points so Turncoat could help me go through them one by one?

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Thanks for your honest reply Hyper. I'd rather have honest criticism than dishonest flattery, so thanks for NOT being that shallow type.

I give credit to Turncoat for going through these points and answering one by one.

We will not have this issue in the future thanks to that help. Thanks for yours also!

by hypercube

I get that this is some weird type of masturbation for your conflict fetish but manifesting it in the form of a messiah complex is a bit of a turn off for me.  Sorry.  You're just really not my type and that is one conflict that can't be resolved.

If it will help get you off though I can tell you that you're super important and what you are doing here really matters a lot.  You can be like President of Sociopathland or some shit.  I'm sure everyone will vote for you as soon as you convince them exactly how to interpret what you do.

No it is not any type of me me me Messiah Complex. As Turncoat points out, I am not you, yall are not me. So whatever it looks like to you, that is not me either.

As for who influences the community here, clearly TK is one of the alpha females and Silkthread. I'm just a volunteer, planning to refer friends in the future, after I can tell them which people are their style or not. You seem one of the middle types who can work at all levels and in between; you actually exert more influence than people who stay in one position and guard their turf. The real work is done internally, as when you addressed Wilful one on one. That has real impact. I also like the story threads with you and Slimey.

I am not the cause of everyone's problems, nor am I the bringer of solutions. Both the problems and solutions are shared responsibility where everyone contributes equally. I can only solve my part of the communications issues. That is what I focus on improving. 

I don't see anyone here as having a Messiah Complex, it seems more like an egalitarian type community where the decisions come out of the synergy of the collective whole.

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That's really great and all but I'm not trying to influence anyone to do anything.  If I feel like being helpful I'll do it.  If you think me trolling the shit out of wilful and then telling him to stop being dumb about it was constructive, you're retarded.

TK seems pretty chill to me and I like the fact that I can say what I want to her and she gives zero fucks.  Silk apparently gets offended easily because reasons or feelings or some shit but yeah I see that whole defensive alpha territorial thing.  Girl drama isn't my area of expertise.

I don't actually understand what community problems you think need to be solved but you are far better at fueling conflict than you are at resolving it so if I were you I would consider looking into a different line of work.  Volunteering at something you suck at just discredits your entire cause.

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Turncoat is a fucking genius!

Emily is lost.

Hyper is horny, bored, tired, and repetitive.

Wilful is mission oriented.

Thrill is an illusion.

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Wow emily. I just read posts from you under like 4 names just now. Please stop this puppet shit, post only as Emily or Tara. Chose one, we still know it's you. I lost track of your usernames on here. Wilful stopped the madness, and you're still going on with this. You are more annoying than wilful's puppets and the squirrel squad combined now. Please, stop and post only as yourself, it's very pointless to keep changing names, not funny, not anything.

Thank you.

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by TARA

 If we had PM we could do this in private.

 No we couldn't. I have zero interest in chatting privately with you.

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