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Dear Turncoat: I agree with a key point in your three posts against labeling/medicating people prematurely. I believe if we truly understood the cause and process of any such "disorder" we could resolve it. So I prefer to work on resolving all possible factors or conflicts related or causing someone to act out, BEFORE assessing what is a permanent condition. Too many environmental factors can cause various behaviors. Why not resolve those factors or conflicts instead of blaming or labeling the person suffering from circumstances that could be alleviated instead?

Dear Circe: RE: possible symptoms may include "Failure to learn from the negative consequences of behavior"

Thanks for this list, too. This specific factor above ^ I believe is independent of sociopathy. When it occurs along with sociopathic conditions, yes, it can make it harder to manage. But similar denial can occur in ANYONE who struggles with change and fear of not being to resolve conflicts, which can cause people to go into denial. Lots of people, not just sociopaths, get stuck in their beliefs, using denial and projection as a defense mechanism. That's just a human flaw in general, or else everyone would be sociopathic if you want to say everyone gets this selfish and blindsided.

by lisa

Just read that thread and I keep thinking the same thing Tara, why are you really here?? I don't buy that sociopathic comedian story. What disorder do you think you have or how are you related to sociopaths if I might ask?

 A. Dear MMP Thanks for bringing up this topic on TK's thread.

1. Yes, I believe a major point of ME's book was to recognize there are many high functioning sociopathic personalities in society who used this to their advantage in law and business, being able to profit from making decisions based solely on the dollar where other people might refuse or compromise.

Thanks, and yes I do believe this point is behind the other books as well on the subject.

2. However, I am additionally interested in the idea of high functioning SP on the level of Buddhist monks or saints who can make "cutthroat" decisions, minus emotional attachment to even themselves, for the greater good of humanity.

What about SP who become so aware, they don't even use their gifts for selfish gain, but to help better humanity?

Ultimately I believe what is good for all humanity, also maximizes the good for each person. where this is the same. So by seeking the greatest good for the individual, it leads to the same solutions, resulting in consensus.

B. Dear lisa and MMP

I came here knowing I was extremely empathetic to a fault. I believe so much in consensus, and people choosing to resolve conflicts to reach agreement by FREE WILL AND REASON, that I end up compromising my own consent when others impose. To the point of deferring solutions I found years ago, that could have solved problems mutually, allowing both sides to win, just because "other people aren't ready for change" but keep fighting each other instead of working together. While collaborative solutions are twice as effective, these don't work by coersion. People who bully over others continue fighting to win at the expense of others; and when both sides do that, both sides lose and waste resources, while solutions that could satisfy both sides go unfunded and neglected. Because I'm "too nice." Not just me, but ALL the solutions I compiled from different sources work effectively because they respect free will and are not coerced or forced; so all these solutions suffer similar neglect in a system where bullies rule politics.

I thought if only I could learn to speak as directly as SP, and demand solutions instead of explaining "nicely" over and over, giving people freedom to change their minds "once they understand" alternative solutions, then maybe I would be more effective in communicating to resolve political and economic issues.

I need to be a bit meaner, to TELL people to STFU and listen to a fucking solution for once. But I'm "too nice."

So that was my original intent, and I even went to other websites to sharpen my writing skills to be more concise, hoping I can get the point across faster where people choose better solutions freely. On one site, I met a writer who was even funnier and more sarcastic than I was. She said she was sociopathic, and almost got banned twice cuz how she says things that sound mean when she is just being funny. So I recommended she come here.

I tried to find out which of the previous members were still here and see who was who, to introduce my friend. And during all the messups with fake sock puppets names and confusing different people, the reactions I got was that I was accused of being everything from a narcissist with a messiah-complex, to whatever slimey thinks I am perhaps a closet manipulator. I'm not even sure at this point.

I always had a mean sense of humor which I got from my dad, which I used to write political satires and song spoofs. but being on this website, made me reconsider whether my mean streak with humor is not some latent side of me that I choose not to use except when making fun of problems to try to let go of stress and resolve them. What if instead of being an empath who imitates other people's way of talking in order to empathize; it was the other way, what if I were some closet sociopathic maniac and I am using my empathy to imitate people.

What if these ideal political solutions I spent 20 years putting together from different sources were all a "delusion" and world peace was NOT possible; so all this time I was proposing these ideas online, I was nothing but a high functioning "troll" who "accidentally engaged in meaningful conversation" when really I'm just trolling for nothing?

So I did think about that, and even called Spatial Mind to ask him was it me, or was it other people on this site.

In real life I have never ever been accused of being narcissistic, but the opposite. where my friends try to talk me out of helping people too much, trying to solve political problems myself while the govt is inept, abused and corrupt. I didn't believe victims of govt abuse should be denied corrections, just because the abusers are never held to account, so I stepped in and tried to resolve issues myself to repair damages I saw done by govt.

Only when I get online and try to explain these problems and solutions, then people mistake me for all kinds of things. So I was hoping to learn how to communicate more directly and effectively "without apology" or whatever makes people take me as things I am not. This has been good practice, and my writing did get more focused.

I still think I am an empath and just learning how to assimilate to different people's ways of saying things to communicate in their own context. In the empathy/healing process, whatever issues get brought up and even projected back and forth, I believe that is part of the resolution process which I don't control but get drawn into like everyone else does. I see the process as bigger than any of us participating in it; and when we finish it, then everyone mutually benefits in the end. Because I am AWARE a higher process is going on, and it leads to a positive resolution, that is why I do not fear it. However people who do fear conflicts coming up may react differently. All I know is if we keep talking out all questions, everything will be clarified. Thanks for asking.

And thank you for answering! That's interesting, I thought you were pretty empathic, so it can be a good place for you to learn as long as you are not trying to manipulate!

I have always enjoyed this site but it does run the gamut in age range which can be trying. I have always found good information and there are some on here who enjoy the exchange of ideas and then those who enjoy wasting time.

I like to research using different formats of information, books, websites, this forum and ME's blog. I always add to what I have learned, there is always continuous information.