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I was wondering: Yes, "sociopaths" do have traits seem desirable, but do they ever wish they could be like others?  Meaning experiencing love like some do, where they genuinely love someone as much as themselves and live with a love and care for others (it seems this is possible in degrees: I mean a sociopath probably still loves their own children and is empathetic to a degree with them, ie the example I asked the other day about a footrace with a child, and so why do sociopaths choose to ignore this instead of explore this to a greater degree)?  Before you answer, I understand that some aspects of a sociopath's personality seem enjoyable and would be enticing to maintain, like it must be nice to be able to manipulate people to your desire, but the trend of this, if not backed by genuine love, seems to lead to the same path, which ends in unhappiness.  The formula for the sociopathic method of living seems to always lead to the same highs and lows, pleasure and pain.  And yes, I understand that life is filled with pleasure and pain, but their certainly have been people in history who have found a way to transcend this, and just as some others seek to find this transcendence (usually those who experience much suffering), as a sociopath do you ever wonder or give thought to exploring a different path?  One that doesn't seem to always lead to the same  roller coaster and outcome?

I've always believed that everyone in life seeks the same thing, which is love.  And so it confuses me why people live the lifestyle that has been played out 1000's of times through different sociopathic individuals, that leads to the same ups and downs, and ultimately never leads to real love.

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Contentment in life can be achieved without happiness or love. Just because someone isn't happy, doesn't mean they're sad. Just feeling neutral is a type of contentment in itself, at least in my experience anyway.

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no offense, but this seems very one-sided and "ethnocentric" in a way. it's not necessarily a choice to live this or that way, we are all dealt the cards that we are dealt and we make the most of it in whichever way suits us. you wouldn't (i hope) judge a gay person for living a lifestyle different than yours, so why would you do it to someone who has a different empathic predisposition?

love is awesome, but it also sucks. like Thrill Kill was saying, maybe life in neutral is happiness, no highs and lows there, just smooth sailing, that sounds a lot more like bliss than the shit we experience daily. but anyway, i don't think that it's a choice to live a loveless life, if you're not programmed for it, you're not programmed for it. it's like me asking you why don't you try to experience a life as a woman when it's so much better and more fulfilling, and you can have babies and have that special bond with them, blah, blah, blah... but you can't and you never will, and that's ok. 

i appreciate my ability to experience my humanity fully, to feel so much, i love it! it's a thrill to me, to be ecstatic and miserable and love so deeply, and hurt... the full range of human emotion and messiness, i love that shit!! but i would never devalue a socio b/c he/she can't, hey, instead they get linear, unbiased, rational thinking and that's pretty damn cool, we don't have that same ability. our feelings and empathy pollute it. 

just sayin'! ;) 

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i appreciate my ability to experience my humanity fully, to feel so much, i love it! it's a thrill to me, to be ecstatic and miserable and love so deeply, and hurt... the full range of human emotion and messiness, i love that shit!! but i would never devalue a socio b/c he/she can't, hey, instead they get linear, unbiased, rational thinking and that's pretty damn cool, we don't have that same ability. our feelings and empathy pollute it. 

I 100% agree with the first part, and disagree with the second. I know some psychopaths, and most of us know UKan for example, and "linear, unbiased, rational thinking" is very not them. I think it's wrong to generalize and make psychopaths look like these purely rational creatures... Some of them are, maybe, but some aren't. Just like the empaths.

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i hear what you're saying, i did generalize. i meant it in comparison to most empaths, not as an absolute value. no one human is able to be 100% rational b/c we all have biases, i just think that in comparison to most empaths who have a stereo influx of emotions and empathy (from within and the outside), having mono empathy clears the view, at least to a degree. 

that's my belief and i'm sticking to it! ;) haha! 

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I see life as an interactivr script. Whatever drama ot karma is meant to be played out and determine how chatacters are designed. Whatevrr purpose or role we plsy in life we will love or enjoy that and find satidfaction. So if ppl can usr fear tejection judgment or manipulation to achiebe yheir goals they will keep using thst and enjoy it. If their path is something that conflicts then they will seek to change. Sorry i cant type by phone too well

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  I believe the whole concept of sociopathy is greatly misunderstood by most, even by those in academia. I think a true sociopath has a distinct advantage over the regular populace, because of their manipulative abilities... I think that the clever ones see from many more vantage points than the average person, thus facilitating their manipulative abilities... an apparent intuition that stems from a greater understanding of the whole. a type of wisdom, and in some negative cases a type of neurosis that can come from seeing things in greater detail than the average unawakened... I see sociopaths like nietzsche's ubermensch...

We are not incapable of feeling... we simply choose not too.. whether by a subconcious defense mechanism, or studied practice... and it is a choice, just as every emotion we feel is a choice... most simply do not understand the mechanics behind those  emotions, let alone how to control or reprogram  them.

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 So sociopaths understand the mechanics behind emotions and to control and reprogram them? Bullshit, that's not specific to sociopathy. A lot of women I know do that very well and are not sociopaths. Also some sociopaths suck at it. They just tend to be magnets for victims that like to be abused, and are susceptible to their emotional manipulation even if it wouldn't work on normal, non victim people.

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 It seems as though sometimes you stumble trying to upload all the info in your head, and you resort to txt speak and abbrev to speed up the process.

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i wont argue the point of sociopaths understanding their emotions better perhaps that was just me projecting, but i will say that there are plenty of female sociopaths out there... thatbare even harder to detect... primarily because society has tought them that to fit in they must be emotional women... where as most men are tought to be more stoic... 

as for your claim that there is a "type" of "normal" people that arent suseptable to sociopathic manipulation, i assure you, that sentiment is incorrect.

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