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I think the biggest mistake people make when they get pets is treating them like humans. They are not humans, they are animals and need to be treated as such. The family is their pack and they need to be reminded that they are at the bottom of it. Whenever I had a dog as a pet, I'd make sure it knew I was the alpha, the leader.

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It is possible to show who is in charge while still bothering to treat them as more than mere animals. From my experiences with pets, they were quite spoiled, but they still knew who was boss.

Animal body language can be so fun.

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Discipline is not that hard to enforce, and a little pampering ensures their enduring loyalty. It is not necessarily about establishing dominance, rather is it more about ensuring their loyalty. Positive enforcement for good and negative reinforcement for bad, and finding the best balance between them.

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Discipline isn't hard to enforce, I agree, but dominance does need to be established because a dog views it's family as a pack and every pack has a leader. If you get a dominant dog and you don't show dominance towards it, that dog can become aggressive towards you and/or other family members.

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 If it starts to show aggression, you discipline it into submission, but that does in no way mean to abuse it into submission. Unless it shows signs of disobedience and aggression, do not try to negatively reinforce that, because it will only take your aggression as simply that, aggression. It is not hard to be the leader of the pack, assuming you control its food intake, directions, and can inflict pain onto it for doing wrong.

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by Cain

Does anybody support them? I think it is a load of bull. Every now and then a Facebook friend will share a photo supporting animal rights, or to end animal abuse. The photo will be a burnt and beaten dog, or a pile of cats in a ditch. I find the photos humorous, but most folks who comment on these photos say things along the lines of "THEY SHOULD GET THE DEATH PENALTY" or "WHAT FUCKING SICKOS, HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL" I'll respond with "it's a Damn dog, who cares?" To which the general population will say " YOUR FUCKED UP, YOUR GONNA START KILLING PEOPLE YOU PSHCOPATH, THEY SHOULD LOCK YOU UP".

I don't get the rage.

 People get attached to animals. I have several vegans on my fb account and the things i see posted are...well... interesting.

What gets me most about the animal rights people are the ones who are against killing a dog but freely partake in meat , dairy, etc which is probably the most cruel industry there is. It's hypocritical. At least the vegans i know aren't so hypocritical in that regard.

It makes me sad and at times angry to see animals mistreated. For that matter it makes me mad to see any defenseless living being hurt.  If you're a person with the inclination to hurt people, such as me at times, then do it on or to a living creature with some sort of ability to protect themself. Animals and small kids don't cut it. And yes, I've admitted to abusing small children in the past, but I have more or less evolved from that.

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 YEAH! NONEXISTENT FORCES PUNISHING EVIL-DOERS!!

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Dear Caleb: You,TK,and Turncoat shared some good points about the pecking and pack order.

 

But for the laws of karma, what are you saying is "nonexistent"?

Karma just means cause and effect. Retribution reaps retribution, you reap what you sow, good or bad.

 

Science is being used to prove how energy works. Positive energy vs. negative energy.

It's the basis behind the "abundance mentality" vs scarcity mentality. "Law of attraction"

And particularly in human relations the "hero" mindset vs. the "victim" mentality.

These are part of "natural laws" that govern human relations to the greater whole.

 

Do you call these something else? What is the equivalent in your system if you don't call it karma?

 

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by Caleb

 If it starts to show aggression, you discipline it into submission, but that does in no way mean to abuse it into submission. Unless it shows signs of disobedience and aggression, do not try to negatively reinforce that, because it will only take your aggression as simply that, aggression. It is not hard to be the leader of the pack, assuming you control its food intake, directions, and can inflict pain onto it for doing wrong.

You don't wait until a dog becomes aggressive before you make it submit. Dogs live in the moment. You have to show that you're the pack leader from the moment that dog enters your home, because he needs to know where his place is in the pack immediately.

I agree that being a pack leader doesn't mean being abusive. It means being assertive and confident and teaching the dog to be well-behaved.

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