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 What proof do you have of this claim, source a study, otherwise you're pulling this out of your ass.

by Daddy

 One COULD argue that EVERYTHINGS is technically natural simply because it exists and has evovled from nature. Technology could be seen as natural, because it was an extention of our evolution as a species. But I digress, my point was natural in a sense of our more base animal selves. Human Society is not natural... it is an artificial construct to bring "fairness" to the masses. To protect the weak and defenceless.

and no i'm not saying sociopaths have more in common with natural than humans, because sociopaths are human, I'm saying that sociopaths tend to be more in touch with humanities natural instincts.

and Society is why people uphold social construct, society IS the social construct.

I'm not saying humans would never go that way because in deed they have many times over. BUT, if you take a ferral child, seperated from humanity as many documented cases show, they are not like us... they are much closer to sociopaths. caring first for primal urgers and needs and not so much for the social aspect of humanity.

 Good point with ferral children; however, those children were not taught social contracts, etc (at least by humans).  This child observed raw instinct.  But take the child sociopath brought up in the usual fashion: he is able to mimick emotions he sees around him, but he is unable to ever really "sign his name" to any social contract...the special factor seems to be the sociopath is primed to do the horrible things because of his nature, unlike the ferral child only being taught because of his condition (stuck in wild without human contact, etc.)....

by Caleb

 All people have different temperaments obviously. In society, the people that see horrible things and do horrible things in war without being mentally scarred are not necessarily the ominous "sociopaths." I watched my mother die and I turned out just fine (relatively of course, I mean I did not develop PTSD). We are a very populous species, there will be great variety.

 To be sure, I did not mean to imply that those coming back from war without PTSD should automatically receive the sociopath label...But I would surely argue there is some significant reason why some are affected while others are not... 

http://www.killology.com/bio.htm

 If you are implying the nature of the sociopath is the nature of humanity (unmanipulated by social construct, and infact one that moves within or around those social constructs to achieve his end) then I agree.

The main difference between the psychopath and the ferral child is that the psychopath has the gift of understanding the social construct, but is unaffected by it emotionally where as the ferral child has not been behaviorally conditions or tought the constructs at all but is a more pure representation of the human animal itself.

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Feral Child Example: Genie: Yes it's wikipedia. If you're going to gripe about that, check it's sources and further reading instead, or better yet, look up the name elsewhere yourself. She's interesting. I'm sure you'll note it also mentions abuse, so if that's what you'll target, there are other documented examples.

Impact of Neglect (skip to How Does Neglect and Trauma Impact the Brain? if you're impatient). They do adapt for survival in certain ways, but many other areas suffer as a result. "When children experienced neglect, they often did not develop the Thinking/Feeling parts of the brain resulting in an underdevelopment of the higher reasoning parts of the brain." So unless you mean to tell me humans weren't naturally meant to have higher reasoning...

Neglected children IQ: This area I suppose could be debated simply from questioning the legitimacy of IQ itself, as it could simply be that they don't understand the test. The strongest impacts of neglect are seen between the range of birth to age three, when the mind is undergoing the most development.

I fail to see how a "ferral" child is more natural or pure for human behavior, as humans are a social species. Complete isolation from people isn't natural for someone in the age range of birth to three years, and even has detrimental effects on people after that range. The idea of society had to develop from somewhere, and did so across multiple cultures, even showing itself in the form of local tribes when you look toward the wilds.

Edit: Citing these since I can't seem to find my old child psychology books and sources.

is that really you in your icon

 Yes. It is a scetch based on photos of me. 

 I was refering to when you said: "Have a group of abandoned children to give eachother the attention they crave, and they're likely to develop their own social constructs within their improvised tribe."

That's what I was asking you to source... I know of many ferral child cases but none that involved multiple children and having them develope their own social construct similar to the one that exists for most of humanity now. it would be much more animal like.

and as for you failing to see how ferral children produce more natural human behaviors... it's quite obvious.

Before civilization, when we still existed in tribal communities, cave man era, we were much more like the animals we coexisted with. Social structures and behaviors were much less complex.

as for the idea of society, it did develope over time. communities grow then break apart and recolonise over and over. then their were empires like the huns, the romans, the egyptions, that organised desperate tribes through conquest... that set rules for acceptable behavior through laws etc, this is how society has evolved to this point... It's really quite simple when you think about it.

 Well, that's a new one.