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Jay?


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Do you really enjoy sex so much? Are you so addicted to physical pleasure? Do you not find the dating scene and the process of suduction to literally contribute nothing more to your life?

I think you must really live in the moment. In your head, to have a single individual female under your control makes you happy becasue you for some reason think you are a powerful person. You have to realize, though, that though the value of human consciousness isn't to be underestimated, it certainly isn't rare. 

So as a enlightened human being, I think the most reasonable way to look at sex, is as a way to reproduce, and perhaps as a tool to build an intimate relationship. When one begins looking at it as an end to a means, you overvalue it, and this pushes you to pursue and allocate far more time than what is healthy when we consider your economic and financial life.

I propose you consider stepping back and reconsidering the true value of physical happiness in this world. Though comfort is certainly okay to strive for, there is no need to go any further. We as non-laborors use our minds to shape our world. We create. We develop a vision, and then we bring that vision to life. These visions are the result of our human engenuity. They put us above all other beings that we have met so far in this universe. They aren't to be underestimated. They can lead you to achieve great things for yourself and this planet and humanity. So to allocate these visions as nothing more than tools to help you achieve physical pleasure, how unevolved are you?


Long Live Luna!

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Jay?

 The Jabberwocky bears its jaws.  What say you Alice?  Alice?  Alice?  My dear, you have turned into nothing but a lesser field mouse.  Alice?

 

Alice?

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Jay?

Wow, Luna disses Jay. She's insulted:

1) The fitness fixation
2) The focus on sex
3) Called herself an enlightened human being in comparison to his behaviors
4) Implied she has more vision and foresight
5) Called him unevolved for following instinct

I'm sure I'm missing others, but damn Luna, you're judgemental :D

My thoughts: Sex is awesome, and life is what you make it. It can be either like a delicious meal, or a drug, depending on how you take it in. To deny it and reduce yourself to only focusing on it as a form of reproduction is to deny yourself one of the finer things in life. As long as you don't let it control you, it is an amazing thing, and we ought to consider ourselves lucky to have the option to not need to pump out children as a result of it.

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Jay?

 

by Luna Prey

Do you really enjoy sex so much? Are you so addicted to physical pleasure? Do you not find the dating scene and the process of suduction to literally contribute nothing more to your life?

Honestly at this point in my life I've been exposed to it so much that it's not all that big a deal anymore, sex for the most part is a means to an end for me. The art of seduction is a fun game to play and on an interpersonal psychological curiosity level I do feel that it contributes to my understanding of people.

The art of seduction isn't just something that is used to sleep with people, but something used to get anything you want from a person, whether that is friendship, a job, information, money, or whathave you, seduction is nothing more that understanding interpersonal relationships and how to maneuver within them. This can be very useful in many contexts.

I think you must really live in the moment. In your head, to have a single individual female under your control makes you happy becasue you for some reason think you are a powerful person. You have to realize, though, that though the value of human consciousness isn't to be underestimated, it certainly isn't rare. 

Again your mindset comes from a misunderstanding of what is really going on. There is alot you are missing. I never claimed to think the human consciousness is rare, it's obviously quite numerous, but each has it's own idiosyncresies that makes it unique. Each a different puzzle to unlock.

 

So as a enlightened human being, I think the most reasonable way to look at sex, is as a way to reproduce, and perhaps as a tool to build an intimate relationship.

With that mindset you greatly underestimate the psychic power that sexuality possess. At it's base sex is just that a method of reproduction, but our species has evolved to a point that it greatly shapes our behavior. At our most animal selves it is one of the most dominant instinctual drives we have (just ask Freud). To fail to understand the power it has on our lives is to miss out an a highly exploitable asset.

When one begins looking at it as an end to a means, you overvalue it, and this pushes you to pursue and allocate far more time than what is healthy when we consider your economic and financial life.

I would agree with you, that if it is a resource sink then yes it is bad for you, just like any other obsession that prevents forward progress in life. That being said, everyone needs a hobby.

I propose you consider stepping back and reconsidering the true value of physical happiness in this world. Though comfort is certainly okay to strive for, there is no need to go any further. We as non-laborors use our minds to shape our world. We create. We develop a vision, and then we bring that vision to life. These visions are the result of our human engenuity. They put us above all other beings that we have met so far in this universe. They aren't to be underestimated. They can lead you to achieve great things for yourself and this planet and humanity. So to allocate these visions as nothing more than tools to help you achieve physical pleasure, how unevolved are you?


Long Live Luna!

 It's cute that you're so idealistic... But I'd expect nothing less from someone so young. And while I can agree with you on many levels, you aren't as enlightened as you'd like to think. There are still many things you've yet to learn about yourself and others. You sit in a place very familiar to me, a place that I myself have been, years ago. We're far more alike that you realise little one. But the harsh truth of reality and true adulthood has a way of turning dreamers into realists. It's just a matter of time for you too.

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Jay?

I think we have found the line between those who live in the moment and those who live for the future.

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 We shal see~ 

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Jay?

Why not live for both? I try to plan for the future, while making my present awesome on the way there.

Besides, birth control, morning after pill, condoms, even the male birth control that's still in development, is planning your future while having fun at the same time. It's possible to live a little while maintaining your vision as well as a sense of status quo.

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Jay?

 Personally I've found that those who live for the future, rarely live at all. Christians are a good example, foresaking the pleasure of life for the promise of something that may or may not ever come to fruition.

I know many dreamers that dreamt big, but end up continually disappoint themselves... I'd much rather live in the moment I know I have then hope for the one that has yet to come. After all, tommorow is never promised...

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Jay?

 says the guy studying for his CISSP.  ;)

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Jay?

Live for both? You must be kidding!

If I were to live in the moment, I would be so happy. I have everything I want. A great relationship with my family, an amazing bedroom, soon I'll pass this driving class and have a nice car!

I can't enjoy it though because when I look at it, I see nothing special. It's just like all my other friends. Just like so many people are just like you, Turncoat, and you, Jay. They think getting a nice car is nothing more than to impress girls. I want to impress clients. Socializing is something we need. Even in business. Networking is so important. That being said, are you using your Friday nights at parties networking with potential business partners, looking out for your future, or are you spending those Friday nights picking up useless party girls who will likely never have the ability to help you in your financial goals.

I want to play the game as someone who isn't the masses. Who doesn't follow the hive mind that is human instinct. Who uses the objectivity and power of consciousness to see the logical flaws in human nature, and develop daily habbits that side step these flaws and facilitate success.

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