He was a spiritual man. It's likely he might have said that after his near death experience.
In the modern world, Jesus Christ would be labeled insane, yet there is greater value in what he had to say as opposed to the ignorance of what society would consider a sane ego.
I once covered his NDE in the forum. In short, he's a firm believer in all of this reality to be the illusion. Like other's who've experienced what he did, he's convinced with a clairity greater than any memory how there is a greater company in a place where we become who we really are. So in short, he's probably demoting the model ego.
You look for one explination to prove things to you, when it never works that way. The proof is reliant on case after case, and an open mind.
Carl Jung's case in particular, he described what the Earth looked like from outter space 2 decades before the Russians first went up there. Not to mention he is a historical head Doctor who agrees with some of those who are said to be crazy. His case is just one, I'm sure that's not enough for you, Inquirer, things like this is something you must look into for yourself without doubt aiding your conclusions.
Ego. Some people are not open minded, while when we are, we need to take into account if what we are looking at is plausable.
I can make a long list as to why I believe the things I do, If I had to explain everything in detail it would be very long and drawn out.
By default you already know, there cannot be creation without a creator. It never works that way for us. No rolling the dice, and to think we have yet to do 1 thing better than an unconscious force is obserd. God's work is right infront of your face, you see it, all the design, the connected dots the harmonious relationships. When extinction occurs, an unconscious force will not ever bring it back. I personally do not believe an unconscious force put things into place to begin with.
How can we possibly know there cannot be creation without a creator? And, if we hypothetically could, do they keep appearing ad infinitum? Are there an infinite amount of them?
I know we've been through this before, but you can't dodge the inherent problem of the Watchmaker analogy anyway. We as humans don't have the perspective to decide what is and what is not conscious design from a universal perspective. You can refer all you want to the golden ratio but in the end it still stands and falls with your own subjective idea of it, and that makes it no different from any other faith.
by InquirerHow can we possibly know there cannot be creation without a creator?
Is it not obvious ? Even science suggests we cannot get something from nothing. Let alone everything that surrounds us in it's form.
And, if we hypothetically could, do they keep appearing ad infinitum? Are there an infinite amount of them?
I wouldn't know.
I know we've been through this before, but you can't dodge the inherent problem of the Watchmaker analogy anyway. We as humans don't have the perspective to decide what is and what is not conscious design from a universal perspective.
I think we do. Take your monitor for example. That is conscious design, as is the door knob in your room, same with the automobile, the coins you keep and everything we have done by function and design. Nothing we've ever made is as complex as a rodent or a fruit fly, as we ourselves are more sophisticated than everything we have ever made in history. If an unconscious force can do better than a conscious force, then shame on us.
A reminder. Roughly all inanimate things are unconscious. A rock will never do to us, what we do to the rock. Is it not safe to say, the rock in general, will never do, period.
Light exists. We know why we have eyes, but how ? Is it because light exists, an unconscious force gave us eyes ? On top of all this complexity to boot ?
Because scents exist, we have these nerve endings with all the complexities inside of this nose so we can smell. How did an unconscious force manage to connect the dots on that one ? And when we look at all of our senses, The odds of it happening by accident, is even more staggering than each one happening alone. The Earth contains countless different kinds of lifeforms, they too have senses. Also they have the Golden proportion all over them like we do.
If the earth was close to the sun, the water would be a gas, if we were too far, the water would freeze. But no, we have H2o in the form of solid liquid and gas. Science calls that the Goldie Lock theroy, and it's easy to see that it is plausable cause heat comes from a source, in this case the sun. This is a perfect condition to support the kind of life we have here. But the place is housing, again, countless lifeforms. All that have DNA. Codes.
Were their DNA codes made for accident, making countless species that function and more sophisticated than what we, who are conscious can ever produce ? If that were the case, why don't we just put stuff in a box, then come back and presto, once again we've been outdone by nothing.
You can refer all you want to the golden ratio but in the end it still stands and falls with your own subjective idea of it, and that makes it no different from any other faith.
The Golden ratio is valid. Not even science sets this aside. The big theories revolve around Phi. Through mathematics, we've engineered rockets to carry payloads to space, and the way they have measured how to do this from the ground up is done with Phi. Stepen Hawking himself is nothing without Phi as it is the foundation for everything that's made, him, he writes about Phi in his book, The Grand Design. Mind you Phi is the Golden Ratio.
Faith. I'll tell you this. I was born into faith. I have fallen far from the tree. I broke past the barrier of fear, and drifted away from the safety zone, sometimes I would question if God is real. I think about God daily, and I mean daily. When I think about it, God is ALWAYS there in my mind I kid you not.
It started with reading rare and unsusal books, about ancient pyramids, looking into different religions. I don't mean to boast, but there are things that would be in order for me to bring up to you, but you are not ready for it. You will see it as bougus, and if you were to learn these things, it would have to come from some other source, it cannot be me. But yes, all the things I read, and sorted out, stuff that makes sense to me. Some things we cannot see without knowing the grand scheme. Information is in the form of fragments, and when you have it, there is a big picture. In short, I have no desire to be religious, and I frown at faith, but with all that I've collected, my conclusion is, God is real. For me it's not really faith.
Why do you continue to ignore what I am telling you?
You can't compare human-made objects with non-human-made objects and think the same comparison can be done on the whole universe. You have no idea how the 'world' looks like outside of our universe, and so you cannot really say what is and what is not created by design.
What you are basically saying is that the idea of an 'unconscious force' creating everything simply seems too improbable to you, so you choose to believe in something else. I get that, and I don't have any proof that'll invalidate your belief, but in the end it still isn't anything more than common faith. You have no concrete, tangible evidence for what you believe and until you do I'm going to believe what I deem to be the default case, which is that there is no God.